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Westministenders: The Zombie PM

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RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 22:19

Back from the dead, May carries on whilst the vultures circle.

She had tried to out smart her rivals by running of to the palace to tell the queen she could form a government before they could act.

Definitely she stood and pretended nothing had changed. Except everything had. The wrath of her party was unleashed and there was open revolt. She has been summoned to appear before men in grey suits tomorrow at 5pm to hear their verdict.

How do she decide to make amends and reach out to moderate Tories? By sleeping with the DUP. And appointing Gove to her Cabinet.

How long will this last? How long can it last?

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TheElementsSong · 13/06/2017 22:42

Thanks in part to the excellent folk on this thread, we (me and DH) have just written to our new Labour MP just to make it very clear to him that we do not, and never will, support any Brexit of any but the softest kind.

(We didn't say that we voted for the other guy, and also resisted the urge to print in green ink).

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 13/06/2017 22:42

I think the police usually know where the guns can be found and the public dont get told everything

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 13/06/2017 22:43

Oooh is green ink another sign of a extreme lib demmer?

HashiAsLarry · 13/06/2017 22:45

rufus the biggest irony of all is that yellow really isn't my colour, I'm too pale and pasty Blush
squoosh I'm still laughing at the tricolour comment.

Apparently 0.22 were fairly common back in the day. Presumably that's back in the day when licensing (spelling?) wasn't as rigorous as there have been a few unknowns crop up in crimes through recent years. He says.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 13/06/2017 22:47
Grin
RedToothBrush · 13/06/2017 22:53

Oooh is green ink another sign of a extreme lib demmer?

Got to be. None of this blue or black nonsense. Too conventional. And red is just too 'you've done your homework wrong'.

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RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 13/06/2017 22:55

Very true red

SeanSpicer · 13/06/2017 22:57

Wrt the DUP asking for more money, I have visions of TM having to get aides to bring holdalls or bin bags full of cash to meetings and shoving them under the table at Arlene Foster. Or in an underground car park.

I think it was LurkingHusband who said that Tories since the 80s have never really fully explained why they want out of the EU and what they hope to achieve. I'm late 20s and only been politically aware these past few years and could never understand the full reasons for Brexit so I'm glad that people who've been around longer and have more knowledge than me find this too. Though the lack of explanation is fucking maddening at the same time.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/06/2017 23:03

Yougov
Which of the following do you think would make the best Prime Minister?
ABC1 41% Corbyn, 39% May
C2DE 39% May, 37% Corbyn

RedToothBrush · 13/06/2017 23:08

The Times Pictures @ Times Pictures
Tomorrow's front page : 'Hammond pushes Tories to ditch Brexit trade plan'

Julian Jessop @ julianhjessop
Customs Union would prevent UK from signing own trade deals with rest of world after #Brexit and leave us dependent on EU doing so instead

Allie Renison @ AllieRenison
And again, about the speed at which we do all this which cd make the diff. HMRC seriously struggling w/pre-existing prog. transform as it is

If we are outside the customs union we would have how many trade deals exactly? Remind me again how being in the EU restricts our trade hugely with people we don't currently have a deal with?

Let's make that list of amazing countries we could form deals with.

Let's start with Russia, Saudi Arabia, China... Remind me again why the EU don't currently have deals with them.

Remind me why we might NEED a deal with the EU and places that already have a deal with the EU like South Korea.

I swear to god that there are some intelligent Brexiteers who have undergone brain bypass surgery.

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RedToothBrush · 13/06/2017 23:15

Daily Telegraph front page

May: I'm sticking to my Brexit blueprint.

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HesterThrale · 13/06/2017 23:18

Diane Abbott announces she has Type 2 diabetes, which she says has affected her performance lately.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 13/06/2017 23:19

May: I'm sticking to my Brexit blueprint

Nooooooooooooooo

Brexit is a stupid idea, hard Brexit is utter lunacy.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/06/2017 23:22

I was curious how NI rate Arlene Foster, since they know her best.
Very low apparently:

http://www.lucidtalk.co.uk/images/News/LTJune17TrackerPollResultsPoll3-GeneralReport.pdf#page=9

She scores 63% for low / bad trustworthiness
In contrast Sinn Fein leader is only 32%

So, thought to be about twice as untrustworthy as Sinn Fein leader O'Neill, even though she leads the party with the most votes and seats.

Foster is even worse wrt likeability, with 68% low / bad likeability vs 33% for O'Neill.

So, NI think her untrustworthy and unpleasant.

Does May realise the kind of person she is trying to get into bed with ?

< passes around apologies and brain bleach for that image >

HashiAsLarry · 13/06/2017 23:31

I try hard not to judge leaders on their looks. But Arlene Foster does not look like a nice trustworthy person. Ins mich the same way as farron looks like a gawky schoolboy, for fairness.

HashiAsLarry · 13/06/2017 23:35

Not One Day More - #ToriesOut National Demonstration - Saturday 1 July 2017, 12pm, BBC HQ march to Parliament Sq. Be there! Pls RT
Popping up several times on twitter, for those wanting to march
@pplsassembly

Cailleach1 · 13/06/2017 23:45

It is strange with all the airtime UKIP is given, that no one ever queries them about the investigation into their misuse of funds. They even get to comment about the Con's in Thanet South on the Daily Politics without having to address their own alleged funding abuses or investigation.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/13/ukip-mep-resigns-amid-investigation-into-alleged-misuse-of-funds

HashiAsLarry · 13/06/2017 23:50

@jennifermerode
Michel Barnier met Olly Robbins and Tim Barrow on Monday and this is what happened...
#Brexit 1
The British diplomats asked to start technical talks led by civil servants, while gov sorts out itself/Queen's speech 2
Barnier said no. EU side want to ensure UK’s chief negotiator has a mandate from the British gov before formal talks can begin 3
EU wants reliable, accountable, chief negotiator with a mandate, but not sure they will get one 4
Barnier told the British he was open to a number of start dates, listing various days of the week. Robbins and Barrow could not name a day 5
Barnier also spent some time explaining to the British the EU's preferred 4-week cycle for running the negotiations 6
Remember UK not done trade talks for decades. The EU has scores of people who specialise in international negotiations, not just trade /7
British gov has not sent any details of its Brexit position to Brussels and no one knows what British really want now/ 8
Brussels not convinced British know what they want, seeing no clear mandate for Brexit. 9
EU talks with Robbins/Barrow cordial, but Brussels think British gov still does not get Brexit 10
Don’t believe talk of re-writing mandate in a year. There is no plan B/second mandate 11
May likes to say 'no deal is better than a bad deal'.
In Brussels people think 'for British any deal is better than a bad deal' . 12 ends

HashiAsLarry · 14/06/2017 00:09

@stvnews
^Drink-driver caught in wheat field after high-speed police chase stv.tv/news/north/139…^

Oh Theresa....

BigChocFrenzy · 14/06/2017 00:31

To squash further speculation - Sinn Féin tonight reaffirmed that they won't take their seats in Westminster:

“We went to the people on an active abstentionist ticket looking for a mandate opposing Brexit, a border and Tory austerity and standing up for equality, rights and Irish unity.

We received 238,00 votes from the electorate on that platform.

Sinn Féin intends to honour its mandate and offer strong effective representation within constituencies, at Stormont, at the Dáil and with our All-Ireland EU MEPs in Brussels rather than sitting on the green benches of Westminster.”

RedToothBrush · 14/06/2017 00:31

All the news tonight has just made me rage with anger with all the bullshit. They will take us out the EU anyway they can and since they can't find a way to do it properly, I think they will actively try and destroy the country totally to do it.

I feel like punching a wall repeatedly. Most people are still completely oblivious as to what's coming.

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OlennasWimple · 14/06/2017 00:54

Red - time to re-read Lord Buckethead's manifesto and ponder how sensible it seems in comparison to what is actually going on. (And he stood against Maggie in 1983 and Major in 1992, as well as TM this time. Man's a legend)

MY 2017 MANIFESTO: Strong, not entirely stable, leadership

  1. The abolition of the Lords (except Lord Buckethead).
  1. Full facial coverings to be kept legal, especially bucket-related headgear.
  1. No third runway to be built at Heathrow: where we’re going we don’t need runways.
  1. Ceefax to be brought back immediately, with The Oracle and other Teletext services to be rolled out by the next Parliament.
  1. Regeneration of Nicholson’s Shopping Centre, Maidenhead.
  1. Buckethead on Brexit: a referendum should be held about whether there should be a second referendum.
  1. Nuclear weapons: A firm public commitment to build the £100bn renewal of the Trident weapons system, followed by an equally firm private commitment not to build it. They’re secret submarines, no one will ever know. It’s a win win.
  1. Nationalisation of Adele: in order to maximise the efficient use of UK resources, the time is right for great British assets to be brought into public ownership for the common good. This is to be achieved through capital spending.
  1. A moratorium until 2022 on whether Birmingham should be converted into a star base.
  1. Legalisation of the hunting of fox-hunters.

  2. New voting age limit of 16 to be introduced. New voting age limit of 80 to be introduced too.

  3. Katie Hopkins to be banished to the Phantom Zone.

  4. Stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia. Start buying lasers from Lord Buckethead.

  5. Prospective MPs to live in the seat they wish to represent for at least five years before election, to improve local representation in Parliament.

  6. Free bikes for everyone, to help combat obesity, traffic congestion and bike theft.

mathanxiety · 14/06/2017 01:04

Six
An Irish republican is a nationalist who supports the unification of Ireland and historically justifies the use of violence to achieve these ends.

Not quite, 'historically' or even today.
An Irish Republican is a supporter of a republican form of government in Ireland, and this was the case long before there was a whisper of Partition. This is what the Irish Civil War was all about - the republican ideal was not fulfilled by the Treaty that set up the Free State, with a Governor General, and the Monarch as head of state. The Republican idea was that authority rested in the people, as opposed to authority emanating from the Monarch, via Parliament.

After Partition, Irish Republicans except for a small minority coexisted quietly with the existence of NI, while paying a certain amount of lip service to the idea of a 32 county republic, with Irish cultural institutions operating on an all-Ireland level (the GAA for instance, and Rugby Union) and also the Church of Ireland and the RC Church, both of which have Armagh as the seat of their respective primates.

By the time the RC population of NI was inspired by the American Civil Rights movement to protest the apartheid system they were facing, the idea of unification had been dormant for a long time. It was resurrected in the early 70s by several groups including the Provos, INLA, etc., but it was still a minority position that violence was an acceptable means of reunification, while a majority of people in both states on the island continued to call themselves Republicans and eschewed violence even though the 70s saw the presence of British troops on the streets of NI and a very dirty war fought.

All through the Troubles the SDLP was the most popular party in the RC community in NI. The SDLP never called for violence as a means of problem solving but always had reunification as a plank of its platform. It was only after the Provo ceasefire in 1994 that the RC community in NI started to vote for SF, which also has reunification as part of its platform. Nationalist/RC people in NI support reunification and always have, especially when there is a chance that the goal is achievable and more to the point, when it looks as if the alternative - accepting the status quo and making the most of it - will never guarantee civil rights and equal justice. The GFA held out the hope that a guarantee of rights was going to be real and enduring and that a foundation of inter-community trust could be built. That is now a forlorn hope.

Which brings us to the utterly disgraceful behaviour of Theresa May, toadying up to the DUP, who are doing exactly what I suspected they would - wallowing in their own crapulence, indulging in offensive triumphalism, and apparently determined to eliminate republican political representation, i.e. political representation of almost half the population of NI by cutting off funding (where before they managed this by blatant and shameless gerrymandering of constituencies both local and national from 1922 on, with Westminster turning a blind eye.)

I suspect that a major say in redrawing of constituencies will be part of what the DUP demands, because gerrymandering makes everything look nice and legal.

TheElementsSong · 14/06/2017 06:26

All the news tonight has just made me rage with anger with all the bullshit. They will take us out the EU anyway they can and since they can't find a way to do it properly, I think they will actively try and destroy the country totally to do it.

Feeling the same RTB Angry They're completely deluded and obsessed! I can only imagine that they actually believe that "80% now support Brexit" bullshit (thanks, Labour, by the way, for handing that to them on a plate). After all, they already believed before the election that "the country (all 65 million!) is coming together in support of Brexit" on the basis of no evidence, now as far as they're concerned - solid proof!!!