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Westministenders: The Election Car Crash

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RedToothBrush · 06/06/2017 15:42

I was thinking about how I could sum up the general election campaign and well. This said it all.

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Motheroffourdragons · 07/06/2017 11:46

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PinkPeppers · 07/06/2017 11:52

Red the one thng I have notived from your last post is the fact that TM has never ad any respect for judges and clearly has a major issue with how democracy works, ie that the judiciary is independent from the political.
Judges not doing what she told them is democracy working.

It seems that what happens with Brexit had already happened 2 years before then. So i expect it to happen again.

Maybe it is time for someone to actually teach people that this is a GOOD thing not the judges having a political agenda.

prettybird · 07/06/2017 11:53

The NS mentioned in the recent posts refers to the New Statesman (NS Wink) article - not Nicola Sturgeon Grin

Motheroffourdragons · 07/06/2017 11:55

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Peregrina · 07/06/2017 11:59

Maybe it is time for someone to actually teach people that this is a GOOD thing not the judges having a political agenda.

And they are hardly likely to be a bunch of 'lefties' - most will be male and I would suspect that I high proportion will have been public school educated.

DarlingCat · 07/06/2017 12:00

WeakAndUnstable I have shared that on a separate thread, I hope that's ok.

RedToothBrush · 07/06/2017 12:19

Currently un-paywalled
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-s-future-7h6gp0785?shareToken=997cb892cea075cc8200f1a9f213d632
Britain’s Future

The Conservatives may have fought a lacklustre campaign but they are by far the best party to deal with the huge challenges that lie ahead

from this

Sam Coates Times‏*@SamCoatesTimes*

Times leading article: Theresa May rather than Jeremy Corbyn shd be returned to No10 but but but..... key extract:

When the plan was published this newspaper welcomed it as a step towards solving a deep societal problem that previous governments ignored. As a tax on wealth, however, it was aimed squarely at middle-class voters wary of being taken for granted. Labelled a dementia tax, it rapidly became a political liability. Rather than defend it, however, the prime minister reversed it within four days and compounded the damage by refusing to acknowledge the U-turn. With weeks of campaigning still to go, strong and stable looked weak and wobbly.

It has since emerged that her own senior campaign consultant and most of her cabinet were blindsided by the policy, which was forced into the manifesto by Mr Timothy. Mrs May’s excessive dependence on a tiny inner circle left no one to defend a courageous but controversial proposal. More broadly, this dependence reflects a lack of confidence in her own judgment that she must overcome to prevail in the titanic negotiations with Brussels that are due to start this month.

If politicians could dictate world affairs this would have been the Brexit election. It has instead been hijacked by terrorists. The horror of the attacks in Manchester and London has required Mrs May to suspend campaigning twice to articulate the nation’s anger and resolve, and to marshal its security apparatus. She has assumed this role with dignity and diligence. But as campaigning has resumed and debate has turned inevitably to police numbers she has refused to admit they were cut sharply on her watch as home secretary. Simple candour would have served her and the national conversation better.

Nor will the attacks crowd out for long less prominent ideas in the Conservative manifesto. The proposal to cap energy prices is an unwarranted intervention in an already highly regulated market that offers other levers with which to enforce competition. The provision for more grammar schools is a distraction from secondary education policies that are working. And the decision to stick to a net migration target in the tens of thousands is posturing at best and at worst a recipe for economic self-harm.

It has to be said that May has become a bigger problem and danger to the UK than Brexit itself. That's an achievement.

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RedToothBrush · 07/06/2017 12:22

Maybe it is time for someone to actually teach people that this is a GOOD thing not the judges having a political agenda.

That's what Liz Truss failed miserably to do with the 'Enemies of the People' crap around the a50 ruling. Worse than that, it wasn't a small point, its the ENTIRE POINT of her role as Lord Chancellor!

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RedToothBrush · 07/06/2017 12:23

Oh dear.

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ElenaGreco123 · 07/06/2017 12:32

I have just checked my UKIP candidate the Who can I vote for website. The website helpfully links to his Twitter feed, where he finds it hilarious that Diane Abbott probably has dementia, because she is forgetful. I find this deeply upsetting. What is wrong with people?!

RedToothBrush · 07/06/2017 12:34

Election Data‏**@election**_data

OK, so I have the numbers and the narrative. Now to write it up. This is gonna down like a cup of warm sick

(((Dan Hodges)))‏ @DPJHodges
Labour insiders also think Bolsover is in play for the Tories. Say that Skinner has done relatively little work on the ground in the seat.

Election Data‏**@election**_data

'relatively little'

If this is true, then its a blood bath tomorrow. When I initially looked at things at the start of the election campaign Bolsover was very much in play because of the UKIP vote. It would suggest Red Kippers were going blue not returning red. YouGov has been suggesting quite the opposite.

(((Adam Wildman)))‏*@wildman*_adam
Bolsover is 137 on the Tory target list. A swing of 14% is needed. If uniform nationally: Tory majority of 276 and a double landslide.

I'm seeing a lot of expectation of 90 - 150 seat majority today.

I'm expecting election-data to probably say the same tbh.

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squoosh · 07/06/2017 12:38

I suspect Carole Cadwalladr is correct when she says 'Marketing Week nails it: Tories have won Facebook. Will win election.Nobody will ever know how.Democracy, 2017-style'

RedToothBrush · 07/06/2017 12:41

People do know how.

£££££ and the ability to micro-target.

Ned Simons‏*@nedsimons*
Oh no. Theresa May doesn't rule out holding another election before 2022.

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Peregrina · 07/06/2017 12:44

When the plan was published this newspaper welcomed it as a step towards solving a deep societal problem that previous governments ignored. As a tax on wealth, however, it was aimed squarely at middle-class voters wary of being taken for granted. Labelled a dementia tax, it rapidly became a political liability. Rather than defend it, however, the prime minister reversed it within four days and compounded the damage by refusing to acknowledge the U-turn.

Bear in mind though, that whatever May has said verbally, this is what is in the written Manifesto - she hasn't issued a page to amend it.

RedToothBrush · 07/06/2017 12:47

Jim Waterson‏*@jimwaterson*
Just been sent this letter from Eastbourne, where Tories are distributing anti-Corbyn letters signed by the widow of an MP killed by the IRA

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RedToothBrush · 07/06/2017 13:08

www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/06/how-do-you-beat-rival-70-times-richer-you-inside-labours-cash-strapped
How do you beat a rival 70 times richer than you? Inside Labour's cash-strapped campaign

For every pounddonated to Labour, someone handed the Tories £70.

Er I'm sorry, yes Labour are not as well funded but I'm sorry but this story is rather misleading. Why are Labour claiming poverty? I do think this perhaps also says something about how they are distributing donations in the party. Its a question that doesn't say much for the party organisation tbh.

The NewStateman says:
In the first two weeks of the general election campaign, the Conservatives raised £4,388,000 in individual donations. The Lib Dems raised £340,000, and Labour raised £61,300. In other words, for every pound donated to Labour, someone handed the Tories £70

What they don't say is this:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39965715
General election 2017: Conservatives top donation list in first week

^The Conservatives were given £4.1m and Labour £2.7m between 3 and 9 May, according to the Electoral Commission.
Donations to the Lib Dems totalled £180,000 and for UKIP the figure was £48,000.^

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HashiAsLarry · 07/06/2017 13:13

What is wrong with people?!
Being a decent, kind, empathetic person is so not hip

RedToothBrush · 07/06/2017 13:14

Tim Shipman‏*@ShippersUnbound*
George Osborne's Evening Standard leader backs the Conservatives. But he's barely warmer to May(ism) than Corbyn

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-why-we-believe-this-country-needs-a-strong-conservative-team-as-the-next-a3558971.html
Evening Standard comment: Why we believe this country needs a strong Conservative team as the next government

It has left the large numbers of people who celebrate both the diversity of modern Britain and the dynamism of British enterprise feeling uncomfortable. Thankfully, many of the impressive candidates the Conservatives are fielding know this is a mistake. We have seen in this campaign faces of the future like Amber Rudd and Ruth Davidson, interviewed in this paper today. They have maintained a disciplined silence about their reservations concerning the direction of the party before the polls; we suspect they will make their voices more forcibly heard after the election.

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Peregrina · 07/06/2017 13:19

I wouldn't have marked Amber Rudd down as one who celebrates diversity. She is the one who had the microphone switched off for the man questioning the policy of selling arms to Saudi Arabia.

RedToothBrush · 07/06/2017 13:26

I'm just looking up some stuff on cults (in relation to the human rights thread). Found this.

Definition of a Cult
A cult has all of the following characteristics:

  1. It uses psychological coercion to recruit, indoctrinate and retain potential members.
  2. It forms an elitist totalitarian society.
  3. Its founder leader is self-appointed, dogmatic, messianic, not accountable and has charisma.
  4. It believes the end justifies the means.
  5. Its wealth does not benefit its members or society.
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howabout · 07/06/2017 13:32

Got to wonder who GO's target audience is for this piece of drivel. London is Labour heartland and even more so with Sadiq in charge. The battleground for hearts and minds is North of Watford.

Just had a glance through current Britain Elects seat projections. It will restore my faith in the Scottish middle classes somewhat if the well heeled East Renfrewshire residents do indeed return to Labour rather than Conservative.

HashiAsLarry · 07/06/2017 13:32

If anyone was thinking of voting for Corbyn then we should all know the truth 😜

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howabout · 07/06/2017 13:37

Grin Hashi.

ElenaGreco123 · 07/06/2017 13:37

Thanks, Hashi You have made my day.

Red As John Crace described Anna Soubry and Nicky Morgan, none are so devout as the forcibly converted.

PinkPeppers · 07/06/2017 13:44

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-theresa-may-trade-deal-european-union-oecd-a7776961.html

Theresa May will fail to deliver EU trade deal in 2019 and UK heading for cliff-edge Brexit, OECD predict
Researchers from the London School of Economics estimate that it would cost 2.6 per cent of GDP by 2020, rising to 9.5 per cent by 2030.

Can someone explain me why that sort of info is only available NOW, a day before th election, and when some (all?) the postal votes have already being sent?

its realy not a pretty picture :(

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