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Westministenders: Theresa's Common People

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RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 13:50

She came from Oxfordshire she had a thirst for knowledge
She studied geography at Saint Hugh's College
That's where politics
Caught her eye

She told them that her husband was loaded
The press barons said "In that case have a rum and coca-cola"
She said "Fine"
And in thirty seconds time she said

I want to look like common people
I want to do whatever common people do
I want to eat like common people
I want to sleep like common people
Like you

Well what else could Fiona and Nick do
They said "We'll see what we can do"

They took her to a supermarket
I don't know why
But they had to start it somewhere
So it started there
They said pretend you've got no money
She just laughed and said
"Oh you're so funny"
They smiled "Yeah”
Well we can't see anyone else smiling in here

Are you sure you want to live like common people
You want to see whatever common people see
You want to eat like common people
You want to sleep like common people
Like me

But she didn't understand
She just smiled and held Trump’s hand

Order that benefits get the chop
Tell them all to get a job
Promise to bring back the grammar school
Pretend you don’t think them a fool
But still you'll never get it right
'Cause when you're laid in bed at night
Watching the news talking about building the wall
All have to do is call your mates to fake it all

You'll never live like common people
You'll never do whatever common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
Whilst you blame it all on the EU
Because that’s all you can do

Sing along with the common people
Sing along and it might just get Brexit through
Laugh along with the common people
Laugh about leaving the EU

It’s the most stupid thing that you will do
Because you think that it is cool
You’ll call them a ‘lying foreigner’
But don’t say we didn’t warn you
You’ll regret saying we are better off out
'Cause everybody hates a benefits tourist

It doesn’t matter if you can’t do the math
With all those pockets that you grease
You’ll win the vote in Bath

You will never understand
How it feels to live your life
With no meaning or control
And with nowhere left to go
You are amazed that they exist
And wish they were all white
So you tell ‘The Big Lie’

Get THE flat above THE shop
Cut your hair and get THE job
Trick some mugs and hire some fool
Pretend you are not really cruel
But still you'll never get it right
Instead you're plotting late at night
About which ‘cockroach’ will take the fall
All have to do is call your mates to fake it all
Yeah

You'll never live like common people
You'll never do what common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
As we plan to leave the EU
Because there's nothing else left to do

But ‘moan’ about how we don’t want to leave the EU.

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RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 20:45

Phil P‏*@Suvaguy*
In Japan, all over 40s are required by law to pay into an elderly care insurance system, with premiums calculated according to income & where they live. Over-65s have their payments deducted from their pensions.

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RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 20:57

Faisal Islam‏**@faisalislam**

Reminder that Germany spotted & dealt with this issue 20 years ago, 2.6% compulsory levy, shared with employers

Faisal Islam‏**@faisalislam**
Most Germans now pay 2.55%-2.8% of incomes (split with employer) to fund compulsory long term social care Insurance - instituted in '95...

Why does this not surprise me?

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whatwouldrondo · 18/05/2017 21:00

And if you have assets, then I don't see a problem with contributing towards the care you receive - the old lady in the example is still able to leave £100 000 to her offspring - no small amount.

And healthy old lady could blow hers on a cruise & leave her kids nothing at all...

You don't get that this is unfair? Hmm Fact is that health is a lottery, nobody, yet, is saying that if you get any other condition, and most are age related, that you have to pay for treatment. In my families case the only reason we are in this nightmare is that one partner effectively committed suicide by ignoring the symptoms of another Thrombosis because they were so afraid that they would lose their home if they admitted the inevitable, they were not coping with their partners dementia, no matter that they wouldn't have done so. If their partner had Cancer they would have had support from both hospital and charities. This flies in the face of all the advice the government has had www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/18/tory-social-care-plan-example-market-failure-andrew-dilnot

LurkingHusband · 18/05/2017 21:04

wrt the "Dementia Tax", it's worth highlighting the increasing evidence that it has a genetic component.

We're not so much Orwell, as Huxley. (Or is that too metropolitan elite ?)

HashiAsLarry · 18/05/2017 21:06

What ron just said, far better than what I was about to type.

Though I suspect if enough people stop caring about this, it won't be long before the amount of conditions they have to pay up for increases.

whatwouldrondo · 18/05/2017 21:11

Mistigris Do try it, with instant recall. Now I am not in 7 year old land I can do it with a few seconds to enact my coping strategies. I am useless at Arithmetic but good at Maths. I once managed in psychometric tests to score in the bottom 6% for metal arithmetic and the top 0.02% for analysis of trends and I did have a numerate (statistics) job

Maths In years of arguing with you under different user names at last we agree, logic matters

HashiAsLarry · 18/05/2017 21:13

Paul Nuttalls of the UKIPs keeps calling Leanne Wood 'Natalie'

Silly woman, can't even get her name right, no point listening to her eh?

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 21:16

Huntington's disease, familial Alzheimer's (a particular type of Alzheimer's), Parkinson's disease. All can be hereditary.

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LurkingHusband · 18/05/2017 21:18

Huntington's disease, familial Alzheimer's (a particular type of Alzheimer's), Parkinson's disease. All can be hereditary.

I know very well. I lost my Nan and DM to dementia Sad.

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 21:24

I once managed in psychometric tests to score in the bottom 6% for metal arithmetic and the top 0.02% for analysis of trends and I did have a numerate (statistics) job

I struggled with mental arithmetic horribly at school. Like you I am very good at maths. I was doing A Level maths at GSCE level but didn't take it further though I am now a trained bookkeeper (despite having worked in design and studied media, history and politics!). I would say I have a pretty good understanding of stats even though its not really my thing.

I still really struggle when people read out numbers to me. I find phone numbers really difficult, and have had to develop coping strategies with it.

I also can not cope with people spelling out loud to me. My brain scrambles the sequences up whether it be numbers or letters.

I bet there is a learning difficulty lurking in there somewhere.

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Badders123 · 18/05/2017 21:24

I've told my Tory voting pils that their grandchildrens school is being defunded and that by 2019 they will lose £180k (4 teachers)
I have also pointed out that their son, Me and both our kids have pre existing conditions (as do they) and we will have to pay ££££ for care when the Tories destroy the nhs
They will still vote Tory

Mistigri · 18/05/2017 21:26

Ron I agree that logic is what really matters, but mental arithmetic has lots of useful applications in the workplace. In my job it's important to be able to assess quickly whether numbers you are being given by sources are credible. So we can all do stuff like ounces or pounds to grams or tonnes pretty quickly ... Bizarrely it's one of my Shanghai-educated colleague who is the least able in this respect, which I guess proves your point that rote learning has its limits.

Re the dementia tax, it doesn't matter how you tax them: assets need to be taxed. I'm with Piketty on this.

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 21:29

Jack Robinson‏*@JackEdRobinson*

Here's a handy bingo card for when @PaulNuttalUK speaks. #ITVDebate #itvleadersdebate

Westministenders: Theresa's Common People
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woman12345 · 18/05/2017 21:30

Grin ^ thanks for the thread red.

HashiAsLarry · 18/05/2017 21:36

Is it too early to call house yet rtb?

Also, anyone thinking of spoiling their ballot, please write Natalie on it Grin

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 21:37

but mental arithmetic has lots of useful applications in the workplace. In my job it's important to be able to assess quickly whether numbers you are being given by sources are credible. So we can all do stuff like ounces or pounds to grams or tonnes pretty quickly ... Bizarrely it's one of my Shanghai-educated colleague who is the least able in this respect, which I guess proves your point that rote learning has its limits.

See I can do stuff like this, but my coping mechanism is precisely to do it from doing it from memory to estimate rather than estimating every time.

I did the times tables at one primary school, which helped me enormously for this reason. When I later changed primary school, the kids I was with hadn't learnt like this and I found it an advantage to have learnt this when it came to doing long multiplication and division. They were however much better at mental maths.

I don't think it works for everyone but certainly I do think that different learning methods benefit different types of people and there is no 'ideal' method, only a better one for each individual depending on what their strengths and weaknesses are.

John Prescott‏ @johnprescott
Things I've learnt from #itvdebate
1. None of the leaders are called Natalie
2. Tim Farron has four children
3. ...he comes from Preston

Del‏*@DerkHat*

4. It's all immigrants fault, because Paul says so

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woman12345 · 18/05/2017 22:01

Tory group attacks tory group

Bow Group‏
@bowgroup
"The proposed #elderlycare reforms likely represent the biggest stealth tax in history"
www.bowgroup.org/news/bow-group-press-release-elderly-care-biggest-stealth-tax-history
#torymanifesto

whatwouldrondo · 18/05/2017 22:02

Absolutely Red It is estimated 1 in 10 have a "learning difficulty" but the reality is that it is a neuro difference. It can be a strength as well as challenge, providing that you have the right and diverse teaching strategies. The MOD actually go out of their way to recruit people who are not neurotypical because of their strengths in spotting patterns, even the Daily Fail acknowledges this www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2764078/Government-intelligence-agency-employs-dozens-dyslexic-spies-special-skills-help-crack-codes.html

The Conservative government, especially under Gove made its so much harder for bright but different intellects because they responded to the Daily Mail fake news that middle class parents were buying extra time in exams by getting a dyslexia diagnosis. They simultaneously undermined Educational Psychologists and the progress made in the fifty years since I was at school. It was decided that extra time would only be given to those who scored in the bottom 14% for working memory, processing and speed, regardless of intellectual capability. Anyone spot the obvious?

HashiAsLarry · 18/05/2017 22:18

GOUGE YOUR EYES OUT IRONY ALERT

@conservatives
Sturgeon's plan to leave the UK - Scotland's biggest market - would mean economic chaos #ITVdebate

whatwouldrondo · 18/05/2017 22:23

Sorry I should add that in terms of the science normally these things would be consistent with measures of cognitive ability. I am in no way underestimating the challenge when somebody's cognitive ability is in the bottom 14% but if their cognitive ability is in the top 5%? or in a case close to home 0.02%. Often people do not realise because they develop coping strategies but it is a huge failure in our educational system that it does not value that potential by recognising the need for different teaching strategies.....

prettybird · 18/05/2017 22:29

Gove is (or rather at the time was) the Secretary of State for Education who proudly told a Select Committee that he wanted all schools to be "above average" ConfusedShockHmm

what is it with ignorant Tory Secretaries of State? Hmm

My mum developed a type of dementia as a result of a head injury following a cycling accident the healing process didn't stop so ended up being destructive Sad Fortunately we live in Scotland, so Dad didn't have to pay for her to go into a home. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Sad In my mum's case, she didn't lose her memories - she just lost her ability to care about them - and she lost "herself" Sad, Fortunately (Sad) , she died quite quickly. Even 5 years later, the pain hasn't gone away Sad. I may well carry a similar protein that doesn't switch off (in the healing process), so may have a higher risk of Alzheimer's and - more worryingly - if I were to get a head injury, a greater risk of early onset dementia Sad Is that more "fair" than if, say, I were to develop cancer? One would cost dh if we lived in England, the other wouldn't. Sad

Just writing this down made me more angry about the Conservative leaflet that arrived earlier today, which was so irrelevant to a WM GE in Scotland Angry. at least the anger stopped the tears Grin

OlennasWimple · 18/05/2017 22:39

In an ideal world the state would pick up the full costs of nursing, of course they would. But we don't live in that world Sad

My parents have said that they were lucky enough to be baby boomers who were able to take early retirement at 55 on final salary public sector pensions, so they don't want to add to the economic burden that they have left to their grandchildren's generation and will pay for any care that they will need in due course. We (me and my siblings) have said that we have no expectation of an inheritance, and they should spend their money however they want to in their retirement.

WRT ID for voting, surely this is a bit of a swipe at places like Tower Hamlets and Birmingham which are Labour / left wing strongholds

NancyWake · 18/05/2017 22:42

The OP is a work of art.

woman12345 · 18/05/2017 22:44

It would have won Eurovision NancyWake. Grin

whatwouldrondo · 18/05/2017 22:44

OlennaI do not think anyone is arguing that but do you think the way they are doing that is fair? Or do you think there is some basis for unfairness?