What are Remainers ( the type that post on this board regularly ) going to do once the tories win the GE?

[surferjet]

Because they are going to smash it, landslide victory, & all of that.
The libdems will crawl back under their stones, Labour will implode, & TM will get on with Brexit without annoying interference from people trying to stop it.
What are you going to do?
Carry on getting angry online?
Carry on demanding answers from internet strangers?
When will you just get on with your lives basically.

[twofingerstoEverything]

Oh, how surprising. Another angry, goady thread from a Leave voter.

[optionalrationale]

I don't see anger or goadyness in OPs thread. Vocal Leavers are clearly in the minority on MN. I was lurker for a long while but then got curious too.

[tropicalwaterdiver]

I fòund it ironic that our main Brexiteer is going to leave the UK if Brexit is a disaster... which it most likely will be...

[whatwouldrondo]

Ha ha ha! from the optimal goadie rationale. Couldn't 't resist eh?

[GhostofFrankGrimes]

Well i imagine Brexit has become very dull for leavers on here. They had their virtual party in the Brexit arms for article 50. Unfortunately the unicorns haven't turned up and the next 2 years are sure to be both boring (lots of high brow political discussions that Brexiteers hate) and disappointing (still no unicorns). Slowly Brexit will chip away at the social and economic fabric of the UK and eventually it will catch up with brexiters.

[optionalrationale]

No not dull. Actually quite fascinating.

[optionalrationale]

Today 22:06 GhostofFrankGrimes
lots of high brow political discussions that Brexiteers hate
Ahh. Remoaners are high brow...hmm..yes, yes I can see that yes. Excellent point. Very original too.

[Kaija]

"Carry on demanding answers from internet strangers?
When will you just get on with your lives basically."

Er, I hate to be the one to state the obvious, but you just started a whole thread demanding answers from Internet strangers.

[RedToothBrush]

But Red, you're falling into the trap that Brexit means a Tory government for ever - it doesn't. In 4 years time labour could be in power.

You assume that democracy in the UK is strong enough for that.

Look at what is happening in the US.

That's precisely my concern.

Even if it does survive that intact, in five years time (it's not four in the UK unless a snap election is called) the damage done to the UK could be catastrophic in terms of the NHS and our economy.

Remember democracy is about three pillars: the government, the media and the law.

May has control over lots of the press and she is not doing debates or answering the media's questions. The purpose of the media is to do this in order to hold government to account. May is actively avoiding this.

May has also undermined the legal system on several occasions with her comments on judges and in her complicit silence. She wants to remove the Human Rights Act and would like to take us out of the ECHR if she can.

Your human rights protect many things. Including your right to vote....

[optionalrationale]

Red toothbrush
Do you think the EU is democratic?

[GhostofFrankGrimes]

Nice deflection there optional.

[Bearbehind]

optional has a bad case of goadyfuckeritis and, because people aren't playing ball on her threads anymore, she's decided to bring her pointy pokey stick to other threads in order to pick a fight elsewhere.

Most odd really.

[RedToothBrush]

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/an-election-or-an-inoculation-ge2017/?utm_content=buffer24caf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
An election or an inoculation? British ‘undemocracy’ and the dark side of Theresa May.

The EU is far from perfect BUT is largely democratic (yes there are flaws that I'm not going to deny but virtually all democratic systems have weaknesses). Many Brits seem to have a problem with two elements of EU democracy. One is that by nature that means we don't get our way all the time ( though we have vetos and opt outs on many issues that other EU countries don't by our own choice) and the second reason is we elected a bunch of people to represent us who don't like the EU so don't even bother to turn up (unless it involves voting against money laundering) and don't represent our interests there.

In terms of transparency and democracy actually the EU scores far better than Theresa May currently is. It could do better but on the whole it's better.

Note: the EU are not the ones who decide that the GDP spent on the Nhs. Nor are they the ones who cut benefits and implement austerity. Nor are they the ones who decide how many houses are built here every year. Nor are they the ones who are ignoring technology changes in our country that are making jobs unnecessary. Nor do they own the Daily Mail and their inaccurate propaganda machine.

The issues we face in this country are down to mismanagement and our own government pretty much down to maybe 1%.

It's not immigrants and immigration.

It's resistance to a changing world and a lack of understanding of why that is happening and a lack of strategic planning to prevent problems that stem from that.

One of the main reasons we need immigration is due to the changing demographic of our British born and bred population getting older and no longer being part of the work force. Our reaction to cut this will harm our society in many ways. One of them will be a drop in life expectancy...

To put it most bluntly, leaving the EU will cost lives if it's about reducing immigration and leaving the single market.

[surferjet]

Bearbehind
Just because someone says something you don't like doesn't mean they're a goady fucker. Pretty much everything you post I find off the scale annoying - but you're not breaking site rules so I just roll my eyes & move on. Really, if you think asking another poster if the EU is democratic is in anyway 'goady' it's probably time you took a break from this board.
But tbh, this section is dominated by remainers, you should be greatful there's a few leavers still around - in the interest of balance & all that.

[whatwouldrondo]

surfer I stopped rising to optimals posts after their first thread several weeks ago, they all go the same way. This was a perfect example of their straw men and diversionary tactics. Serial goadyness. I am always glad of a sensible debate with a leaver. I do want to understand their point of view but rising to optimal is not good for anyone's mental health......

[surferjet]

She can't be that bad because I've never heard of her?

[Kaija]

" I do want to understand their point of view but rising to optimal is not good for anyone's mental health......"

Oh I don't know. I think it can be quite enjoyable up to a point.

[RufusTheRenegadeReindeer]

she can't be that bad because I've never heard of her?

How does that work then surfer

You sound a bit like my DH there

Wait...

Dh is that you?

[stargirl1701]

Sticking around to carp 'I told you so' is my plan unless Scotland does become independent in which case I will be in the EU.

[FuckYeah]

Redtoothbrush great post.

[Kaija]

Yes it was a really good post.

(Often forget to acknowledge the good substantial stuff on these threads instead of being drawn into the trivial bickering stuff.)

[Bearbehind]

She can't be that bad because I've never heard of her?

PMSL surfer- who do you think you are?

I wasn't referring to the post about the EU democracy, I was referring to the previous posts which are always little more than provocation towards Remainers, or Remoaners as she insists on referring to us as because she still thinks that's witty and original.

[Dozer]

The election is happening now because in a couple of years (coming up to when it was scheduled for) the economic shit will really have started to hit the fan.

[Dozer]

I will try to keep my job, save money, and hope for a deal that prioritises trade. DH might well lose his job (works in financial services) so is staying with his current employer rather than seeking progression elsewhere, which he'd otherwise have done. At least where he is he's get redundancy pay.

[whatwouldrondo]

Yes Red's was a very good post but optimal will ignore it or just come back shouting No the EU is an undemocratic monolithic bureaucracy ignore me, just bitter I got goaded into quoting attention seeking Toryboy Niall Ferguson, and all in vain thinks Kaija must be a masochist