What are Remainers ( the type that post on this board regularly ) going to do once the tories win the GE?

[surferjet]

Because they are going to smash it, landslide victory, & all of that.
The libdems will crawl back under their stones, Labour will implode, & TM will get on with Brexit without annoying interference from people trying to stop it.
What are you going to do?
Carry on getting angry online?
Carry on demanding answers from internet strangers?
When will you just get on with your lives basically.

[WrongTrouser]

I just want to reccomend "Road to Somewhere" by David Goodhart. He delves into the data for London and shows that the idea of London being so much more tolerant and integrated than other parts of the UK is a myth. London is in fact more unequal and socially segregated by ethnic group than the rest of the country and attitudes towards immigration (and Leave voting %) amongst white British people are actually very similar to in the rest of the country. Do read the book, it's excellent.

[lonelyplanetmum]

The EU Immigrants that did come brought needed skills, work ethic and also consumed local services and goods which increased demand and raised job prospects in goods and services. 

[lonelyplanetmum]

The trouble with it is that it starts from the toxic base provided by the Mail, the Express and the Sun .....

Yes the press have printed toxic fiction. We should see tabloids as paper back books not sources of information.EU immigration has increased but looking at the figures of the increase  as Nutty Nuttall and fallacious Farage have done is only meaningful if seen in context. For a start less than 5% of the UK population are EU citizens.

The EU Immigrants that did come brought needed skills, work ethic and also s local services and goods which increased demand and raised job prospects in goods and services. 

If you look at proper research, EU immigration never brought an increase in unemployment for the UK born population .Figure 8 in the attached link tries to find a connection between unemployment  of UK-born resulting from EU immigration between 2008 and 2015.

 There just isn't a negative effect .The solid red line on the graph  shows the relationship between immigration and unemployment rates. If immigration increased unemployment, there would be a strong upward sloping line on the graph.

In fact, a 10 percentage point increase in the share of EU immigrants produces a 0.4 percentage point reduction in the unemployment rate in that area. 
It is very clear from the graph that there is no statistically significant relationship between EU immigration on unemployment rates of those born in the UK.
cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit05.pdf 

[Kaija]

There is nothing wrong with discussing immigration. The trouble with it is that it starts from the toxic base provided by the Mail, the Express and the Sun which have covered their front pages in lurid anti-immigrant stories relentlessly for the last 20+ years. Concerns about immigration are not the same as a screaming Daily Express headline, but inevitably this background noise infects the debate.

[squishysquirmy]

There is nothing wrong with discussing immigration.
I don't think anyone here is shutting down a conversation on immigration?
All we did was point out that what someone was asserting about Scotland was not quite true, and challenging the idea that pro-EU parts of the UK had very little experience of immigration. The opposite is generally true.
There is a big difference between shutting people down, and replying to their arguments with your own, backed up as much as possible by facts. Discussions involve different points of view, otherwise they are monologues.

sunnydalegottobedone : Nothing wrong with village fetes and cricket on the green! Sounds like a lovely way to spend the day
Enjoying traditions is wonderful, but what the song reminds me of is a kind of misty eyed nostalgia for an idealised version of the past which never really existed....

[ocelot41]

Well I have moved to Scotland, which is generally more outward looking and leftie. But I am having serious problems selling my English house because chains keep falling through as ft buyers get cold feet because of the economic effects of Brexit. If it comes to it, I will have to rent it out and rent here. I will vote for independence in event of an indyref2

[Kaija]

I love it when the anti-immigration crew run out of arguments for the effects in the UK and tell us they were just concerned about Poland after all.

Odd that Poland doesn't seem too keen on Brexit or ending FOM.

[Theworldisfullofidiots]

The thing is immigration is a by product of a healthy economy. At less than 5 % unemployment we are in a difficult situation. Basically we don't have enough people to do jobs. Banks are already preparing for recession.

[optionalrationale]

Migration from the EU startee to increase significantly from 2004 following the expansion of the EU to include eight East European countries (A8). The UK was one of only 3 existing EU countries that allowed immediate and unlimited access to its labour markets.

The UK’s GDP is five times that of e.g. Poland, creating a significant pull factor. The population of Eastern Europeans in the UK has grown by 1.4 million since 2004. The Polish-born population rose by 750,000 between 2004 and 2015. The depopulation of Poland is a very serious issue for its economy and Infrastructure, with schools having to close due to lack of enrolments and key services being left understaffed.

Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU in 2007. Net migration of Romanians and Bulgarians to the UK was about 50,000 in 2015.

The economic crisis affecting the €urozone has resulted in very high levels of youth unemployment across Southern Europe (in some countries up to 20%). Migration from the EU14 €urozone countires to the UK has more than doubled since 2012.

[QuentinSummers]

Thing is frumpety a lot of areas with concerns about immigration don't have high levels of immigration. It's fear of the unknown plus politicians trying to make political gain by scaring people.

[frumpety]

I do think discussing immigration is a good thing though , shutting down people's arguments when they try to voice their concerns makes their views even more entrenched . Understanding that what may benefit the country as whole, might not be apparent to people who live in areas where there has been a dramatic rise in the number of immigrants in recent years , would be a good first step I think .

[lonelyplanetmum]

Therefore we do have controlled immigration

1.We need immigration not only in food jobs.
2.The FOM in Europe is for under three months stays.
3.The host Member State can require registration of presence in the country and monitor employment.
4.For stays of over three months: EU citizens and their family members must be working or have sufficient funds  and sickness insurance to cover their stay. 

Treeza and the Home secs before her,chose not to enforce the rule as is done in other member states.

In our school we have...

🌎 Non EU born parents from: Iran, South Africa, India, Pakistan, Algeria, China,Thailand, Brazil, Japan, USA, New Zealand,Australia.

European born parents from Germany,France, Spain,Denmark, Sweden,Poland, Netherlands 

With London jobs going, and City institutions relocating - lots of the EU ones feel unwelcome, unwanted and are leaving or planning to (regardless of the inevitable granting of a right to stay).It's an acute loss, personally, culturally and economically. 

[applecatchers36]

Squishy that kinks song is perfect but also sad.. a nostalgic yearning for something, a looking back and not forward but then if that article about the food economy is right it explains the head in the sand stance..

[Kaija]

Just one of the problems with ending FOM:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/21/brexit-coming-food-crisis-seasonal-migrant-labour-eu?utmcontent=bufferc5fcd&utmmmedium=social&utmsource=twitter.com&utmmcampaign=buffer

[frumpety]

Optional it is disingenuous to suggest freedom of movement means exactly that, with no rules or criteria . Also it only applies to people travelling from other EU countries so the people from outside the EU have always been controlled immigration wise . Therefore we do have controlled immigration , it might not be your personal ideal but it is controlled .

[MsHooliesCardigan]

I'm in London which I'm pretty sure has the highest proportion of immigrants in the UK and the irony is that immigration is at the bottom of most people's list of concerns. To me, London is living proof that multiculturalism can work. My children have gone to school with friends whose parents come from Ghana, Iran, China, Brazil, Eritrea, Jamaica, Bosnia, Egypt, Indonesia, Nigeria, Guatemala, Poland, Spain, Morocco, India, Pakistan, Ivory Coast, Sri Lanka etc etc.
IME children don't get racism/xenophobia- they just see another child. DH is Northern Irish and I remember going there when DS1 was 3 and him asking why there were no brown people because that wasn't normal for him.
I think London will really change after Brexit and not in a good way and that makes me really sad.

[sunnydalegottobedone]

squishy love it it made me chuckle, especially as I've spent the day watching village cricket on the green and yesterday on more planning for this years village fete. I don't wear pearls - I promise!

[prettybird]

Strange how the parts of Glasgow with the highest immigration (both non EU and Eastern European) managed to vote strongly Remain - 70% iirc

There are primary schools there that have a majority of pupils with English as an Additional Language (ds' primary was 60% EAL, neighboroughing primary was 98% EAL ) and a secondary school where 55 languages are spoken.

I think that qualifies as "being tested with immigration"

[squishysquirmy]

Here is my contribution to the playlist.
It sums up a certain section of the Brexit vote perfectly to me:

As Angela Leadsom would say, "God save strawberry jam, and all of the other varieties!"

Everything was better in the past. Village greens were greener, vicars waved cheerfully, and it was always sunny when cricket was played. Before the EU and the metropolitan elite ruined it!

[squishysquirmy]

sunnydalegottobedone Thanks for the tune! I have just spent 4 and a half minutes cossack dancing on my living room floor! My thighs will ache on Monday

[squishysquirmy]

borntobequiet - you managed to make the point I did much more concisely! I waffle too much.

As I pointed out earlier, optional, the higher overall immigration in the rest of the UK will be due largely to London dragging the overall % up. If you excluded London from the statistics (and I can't be bothered to spend time working it out now), I imagine that the discrepancy between Scotland and the rest of the UK would be much less.

And like borntobequiet and Peregrina have already said, in general the parts of the country with the highest immigration were the most likely to have voted remain. So that theory doesn't really stand up to much scrutiny.

[borntobequiet]

Aberdeen has the highest percentage of EU immigrants in Scotland (11%) and voted 61% Remain.

[optionalrationale]

I'm not forcing you to keep coming back Sunnydale. It's not compulsory to read or comment.

[optionalrationale]

It did indeed. His point is that they have been tested much more than Scotland.

[sunnydalegottobedone]

Just because m.youtube.com/watch?v=VmkySNDX4dU