What are Remainers ( the type that post on this board regularly ) going to do once the tories win the GE?

[surferjet]

Because they are going to smash it, landslide victory, & all of that.
The libdems will crawl back under their stones, Labour will implode, & TM will get on with Brexit without annoying interference from people trying to stop it.
What are you going to do?
Carry on getting angry online?
Carry on demanding answers from internet strangers?
When will you just get on with your lives basically.

[Mistigri]

The Macron vote wasn't a pro EU vote, it was an anti far right vote, not the same thing at all.

Wish Brits who can't speak French and who get their French politics from the UK gutter press would stop spouting bollocks about the French election.

There is some anti-EU sentiment in France but this is not what the FN are about. In fact, it's probably true to say that the FN's hardline anti Euro/anti EU stance (touted particularly by Philippot, Le Pen's second in command, who the party faithful are now trying to oust) cost them at least 5 percentage points in the second round, after Le Pen's embarrassing eurobabble in the final debate.

Exiting the euro (part of any frexit) petrifies many of Le pen's core voters. It's not what they want. They are quite happy with white Europeans coming here - France for the French really means "France for white people".

There are two actual Frexit parties, which together get about 5-6% of the vote ie similar to Ukip before various interested parties in the tory party and the UK media started to whip up anti EU sentiment.

[Bananagio]

Wish Brits who can't speak French and who get their French politics from the UK gutter press would stop spouting bollocks about the French election.

I feel your pain misti.

surfer am another one interested in sources regarding most Europeans wanting out of the EU.

[HPFA]

Not the Irish anyway:

www.rte.ie/news/2017/0509/873610-eu_poll/

And why aren't the people who complain about Remainers "not getting over it" out there "making Brexit a success" rather than hanging out on social media telling us how awful we are? As all our dire predictions aren't going to come true what do they matter? You could just smile gently at our insane babblings as you contemplate the glorious future.

[Sparklyglitter]

On my Facebook - so friends (various levels) and some acquaintances there are a select few that go on and on and on about Brexit, non Labour Party bashing (usually Tory) and Isn't Labour great! It does feel like they should try and come up with something positive and move on. Even their positive labour posts are attached to negative comments usually about the torries.
Frankly it's crp about brexit and all the political parties are crp in some way and none of them will stick to their manifestos and it frankly gets deathly dull listening to these people whinge on! They have been downgraded! Things are uncertain but it would be nice if those people stopped casting aspersions at everyone and tried to be more positive.

[PeterhouseMS]

And why aren't the people who complain about Remainers "not getting over it" out there "making Brexit a success" rather than hanging out on social media telling us how awful we are?

Because out there making a success of anything would be a complete first for most of them?

[woman12345]

Front National begins to tear itself apart after Marine Le Pen's loss to Macron Far-right candidate's main adviser threatens to quit, ending rough first week after election defeat
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/marine-le-pen-front-national-party-tear-itself-apart-francois-philippot-marion-marechal-le-pen-a7733281.html
Frexit doesn't seem that popular with 'the people', then.
At least the French fascists are self destructing.

[Motheroffourdragons]

Most Belgians think we are mad too. I agree that too many people read the tripe that is written in the UK 'state' newspapers with no clue as to what is actually happening in Europe.

I really have not heard that there is any appetite for Europeans to want to leave the EU.

Macron is also seen as somebody who really will work with the rest of the E27 to effect change, so it is really positive here at the moment.

[surferjet]

Macron is also seen as somebody who really will work with the rest of the E27 to effect change, so it is really positive here at the moment

LOL - he's a former banker & darling of the establishment. No wonder you're cheering him on. Macron is not a former lorry driver who's worked his way up though the unions - he's as much on the side of the ordinary man as Boris Johnson is.

[Motheroffourdragons]

Just reporting what was said, surfer.

And the fact that the EU is now a far stronger organisation than it was if the threat of the racists from France getting into power came to pass.

It must also be remembered that Brexit is NOT daily news on the continent. So for the E27 it will just be another bit of business for them, rather than the HEADLINE stuff it still is in the UK.

[Motheroffourdragons]

I actually meant Facists not racists but autocorrect didn't like facists

[frumpety]

An honest question Surfer , why does it bother you if people who voted remain still think you are wrong for voting leave ? Vote for TM if that is what you believe will see your vision of Brexit become a reality , but given that she was a remainer less than a year ago , I wouldn't count your UK chickens just yet

[Kaija]

You missed out the s, mother. But I don't suppose the correction was too far wide of the mark.

[Tanith]

" he's a former banker & darling of the establishment. "

As is Theresa May, but you happily endorse her.
Nigel Farage, too, has a City background. Rather a tainted image these days, though

Why are they any different?

[CaptainBrickbeard]

Good Lord, Britain is an absolute laughing stock. Europeans are really not all envying us; what on earth is there to envy about the crash in our living standards that Brexit is about to bring?

What will I do? I don't know. Brexit is still as much of an unknown as ever; there is still no plan or strategy and still no one is suggesting any tangible benefits. So I don't know what I'll do. At the moment, I hope the Tories won't get their landslide! I hope Labour claws a victory no one expected. I hope the Brexit negotiations are such an absolute fucking disaster that the UK gives up on the idea when faced with the reality of what the consequences will be. I hope for many things, probably all as unrealistic as the Leavers' vision of Brexit being some sort of a triumph. I'll be as deluded in my hopes for a better, fairer and more tolerant society as the Brexiteers are deluded about what they have wrought upon us all. But, again much like the Leavers, I haven't got a plan beyond hoping for the best.

[surferjet]

frumpety
It doesn't bother me honestly it doesn't. If we'd voted to remain within the EU I would have been gutted, seriously pissed off. & I'm not sure I would have just 'shut up & accepted it' ( well I know I wouldn't have, not in the early months anyway ) but there has to come a point when you do accept it, & I'm not sure how I'd have felt.
That really was the idea behind this thread, & I do apologise if it came across as goady, but I'm genuinely interested in how remainers will feel after this GE?
The tories will win there's no doubt about it, so it's kind of all hope gone isn't it?
The libdems can promise you the Earth because they know they'll come nowhere.

What does bother me though is the constant denial that there's anything wrong within the EU, that all Europeans are intelligent, liberal people who think the UK are idiots for voting leave?
Just one link:
Some 44 per cent of 18 to 24-year-olds backed the Front National leader, compared with 56 per cent who voted for centrist Emmanuel Macron

Why is that anything to celebrate?

Do you know how many people actually voted for her? Do you know how popular ( for want of a better word ) far right parties are in Europe? And they're not going away despite what you want to believe.
Le Pen will build on that success, that's guaranteed.

[Kaija]

What I find really hard to understand is that idea that that keeps surfacing here that democracy began and ended with the EU referendum. Why on earth would we be less politically active now or after the GE when we are in the middle of the most turbulent time politically of our lifetimes?

Personally I would dearly love to go back to political non-engagement, but it's just not an option right now for anyone with any interest in democracy.

[whatwouldrondo]

From what I have heard they admire us Well that is what happens when you only frequent UKIP circles....

I have yet to speak to anyone elsewhere in the world who is not bemused by the UKs act of self harm, if not feeling that it was high time the UKs illusions of superiority and entitlement resulted in its downfall, although at least since November there is a fellow feeling with my American friends that we are in this mess together.

[frumpety]

I didn't vote remain because I thought that the EU was fabulous , I voted remain because I saw being in it as a lesser of two evils . You see it differently Surfer

[Bearbehind]

The tories will win there's no doubt about it, so it's kind of all hope gone isn't it?

I think this illustrates the problem here surfer.

You always said the triggering of A50 was 'game over' for Remainers, now it's the GE, why are you moving the goal posts out now?

what difference do you think the GE is going to make?

Why are you so obsessed with there being a 'game over' and shutting Remainers up?

You're convinced Remainers want Brexit stopping- We don't.

Yes it would have been better if none of this had ever happened but it has and we have to live with it.

What pisses us off is the fact there is still no credible plan.

TM is still convinced the EU will let us have our cake and eat it.

How can you defend the fact she won't do live debates against other leaders and will only take preaporoved questions?

Why are you so blinkered you are happy to vote for someone who is promising you absolutely nothing and is being absolutely blatant about doing so?

[surferjet]

he's a former banker & darling of the establishment

As is Theresa May, but you happily endorse her.
Nigel Farage, too, has a City background. Rather a tainted image these days, though

Why are they any different?

That post just made it too easy for me.
( maybe ask yourself that question )

Anyway, have a good day & enjoy Eurovision tonight! 😀

[frumpety]

You're convinced Remainers want Brexit stopping - We don't

Actually I really do want Brexit stopping , I accept that there are very limited opportunities to do so , OK currently non , but it doesn't stop me wanting it

[HPFA]

The tories will win there's no doubt about it, so it's kind of all hope gone isn't it?

For me personally it's about future accountability. My belief is that the likes of Aaron Banks, Nigel Farage and the Daily Mail will try and manipulate Brexit to get the type of Britain they want by claiming that giving up our rights as employees and our environmental protection is somehow a patriotic duty to "make Brexit a success"

It will be a more effective way to fight that agenda if people have already shouted it loud and clear before the attempt is made. However much :some Leavers want to close their ears the message will get through to some extent and when the Daily Mail starts spouting how allowing the USA to export dangerous and untested chemicals into the UK is on our national interest, then something may click!!

Look at the Iraq War, whilst some would say Tony Blair has not been held accountable I would say to some extent. he has. He hasn't been prosecuted, but he knows that his influence, his power to effect events has been hugely diminished. I'm not sure that would have happened if people had not been saying loudly BEFORE the conflict that it was a mistake.

So, realistically, No, I probably can't stop Brexit. But I believe that if it is indeed a disaster we can diminish the power of the Daily Mail and the other liars to manipulate us in the same way again. And for that to happen we need to continue shouting as long and loudly as it takes

[borntobequiet]

I have mostly lurked and sometimes posted on many of these threads and I can't remember seeing any constant denials that there is anything wrong with the EU. However I have often seen people say that there is much in the EU that needs reform and that we would be in a better position in the EU driving that change than out of it with no say.

[Motheroffourdragons]

Fascist Fascist Fascist.

I am a pedant as well, there really is no excuse.

Too early on a Sat morning.