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Westministenders: Oh No Not Another One. Thread that is.

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RedToothBrush · 22/04/2017 12:19

In this edition of Westministers we play a game of ‘Where are they now?’

In June 2016 our screens were subjected to the sight of a number of particularly vocal MPs who participated in debates and stood on soap boxes to talk about the referendum.

The most noticeable of these for Leave were perhaps Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Andrea Leadsom, Gisela Stuart, Nigel Farage, Priti Patel and Kate Hoey. For Remain it was David Cameron, George Osborne, Jeremy Corbyn, Ruth Davidson, Sadiq Khan, Nicola Sturgeon, Nick Clegg and Tim Farron.

It is starting to seem that anyone involved in campaigning either for or against Brexit in June 2016 has faced an epic battle for survival. Just how long can they last before being defeated or conceding defeat.

David Cameron’s scalp was the first to go, as he swanned off leaving everyone to clear up his mess.

Boris Johnson, who was keen to stamp his mark and pitch for the leadership by stitching up Cameron, got stitched up by Michael Gove who also lost his own bid for leadership as a result.

Johnson, of course, still lives to fight another day by getting a nice job as Theresa’s whipping boy. He’s occasionally let out by himself, but its Michael Fallon who does the ‘Grown Up Business’. He was said to be one of the last to support an early election. I can’t think why that might be.

Poor old Gove is now confined to a straight-jacket, the back benches where he’s been told to think about what he’s done like a naughty school child and a column in the Times

Andrea Leadsom was sent to a field of cows never to be seen again except to pop up for the odd cameo line shouting about ‘Jam’.

Queen Theresa also dealt with the other Conservative Leader Leave Candidate Mr Liam Fox, by shipping him off to every dodgy corner of the global to get pampered by state hostility.

Stephen Crabb simply crawled back under his rock.

The announcement of the General Election seems to be like the major soap incident episode where half the cast get killed off by a totally unrealistic disaster because their acting contracts weren’t being renewed.

The quitters and abdicators who now have legged it at the sight of a General Election are Gisela ‘Champion of the Brexit Bus’ Stuart and Nigel ‘Too chicken to be defeated for an eighth time and risk losing my nice EU pension’ Farage. George Osborne took the advice of his school teachers and had another career to fall back on when he didn’t become successful in his first choice.

Its rather starting to look like the curse of being a leading Brexiteer is to be made to disappear off the face of the earth or fuck off when the going gets tough. Have you seen Priti Patel lately? Does she even still exist? And Chris Grayling? He was convinced he was going to get chancellor when he supported May in her bid for the leadership.
Instead he got packed off transport and disappeared off the face of the earth much to the annoyance of everyone caught up in the rail strikes.

The only one who is remotely visible seems to be David Davis and is like May’s pet poodle who just tries to please his owner.

It’s almost like the only one still standing or hasn’t been banished is Kate Hoey. And the Lib Dems are trying to work on that one and make her sink beneath the waves, on board her Alan Partridge Titanic once and for all.

Conversely the visible Remainers seem to be – on the face of it - fairing rather better at the moment.

Sadiq Khan is hugely popular and actually does his job rather than fannying about on zip wires. Ruth Davidson is also well respected and apparently has saved Priti Patel’s job from abolition. If the rumours are to be believed bored with scrapping with Nicola, she might be lining herself up for ‘Big Things’ in Westminister. Cameron’s one time love interest, Nick Clegg hasn’t shaken the tarnish of the coalition but he is enjoying a new reputation as the Brexit Soothsayer and some people actually know who Tim Farron is now, which is progress. Nicola Sturgeon is of course riding high and seems to be a permanent thorn in Theresa’s side.

Jeremy ‘I’m a Remainer, honest comrades’ Corbyn is the one who seems to be something of a walking disaster area yet is also thriving with it like a zombie who just keeps going regardless of what you throw at him.

And then of course there is Queen Theresa. The Remainer. Who has crushed everyone in her party. Not just the saboteurs. Even her supposed ally Hammond and BBF Rudd have been thrown under the bus at her wimb when its suited May personally.

The General Election now sets a new scene and opportunity for new characters to emerge. Now the rats have left the ship or been put in their place.

Will May set course to the left or to the right or simply plow on like a bull in a china shop?

Anyway I’m now looking forward to the shocking soap opera moment where your favourite hero or villain gets killed off in a twist you didn’t see coming. Role on June 8th. If only to get pass the upcoming horror of the next six weeks.

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woman12345 · 23/04/2017 18:53

The French interior ministry has issued a warning about fake vote estimates circulating on social media, saying no official statements have yet been made.

Sputnik are quick off the mark.Hmm

Cloudgaga · 23/04/2017 18:59

"Is it just me or is it weird there being a 'Happy St George's Day' message from both the PM and the leader of the opposition?"

I must admit I was very Hmm Confused seeing what special days Corbyn seeks to celebrate when he is proposing to create four new bank holidays.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/22/analysis-jeremy-corbyns-team-nailed-perfect-election-slogan/

It's like some idiot airhead advised Corbyn that the current mood of the public is all nationalist and that Labour now needs to jump on that ugly bandwagon to stand any chance of winning this GE.

Odd especially seeing that Corbyn apparently refused to sing the national anthem at the Battle of Britain memorial service his first ceremonial event since being elected Labour leader.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/15/jeremy-corbyn-silent-during-national-anthem-battle-of-britain-service

woman12345 · 23/04/2017 19:02

23 each for Macron and MLP, on latest.

RedToothBrush · 23/04/2017 19:04

Official Prediction:

#Macron 23,7%
#LePen 21,7%
#Fillon 19,5%
#Mélenchon 19,5%
#Hamon 6,2%

(Based on 200 polling stations counted then put through a computer projection. Apparently usually accurate to 1%)

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MitzyLeFrouf · 23/04/2017 19:06

Trump has his finger on the pulse

'Very interesting election currently taking place in France.'

woman12345 · 23/04/2017 19:07

Macron at least is good result.

RedToothBrush · 23/04/2017 19:14

EXIT POLLS:

France, Harris exit poll:
Macron (EM-*): 23.7%
Le Pen (FN-ENF): 22%
Melenchon (FI-LEFT): 19.5%
Fillon (LR-EPP): 19.5%

France, TNS exit poll:
Macron (EM-*): 23%
Le Pen (FN-ENF): 23%
Melenchon (FI-LEFT): 19%
Fillon (LR-EPP): 19%
Hamon (PS-S&D): 7%

France, Ifop exit poll:
Macron (EM-*): 23.8%
Le Pen (FN-ENF): 21.6%
Fillon (LR-EPP): 20.3%
Melenchon (FI-LEFT): 19.6%
Hamon (PS-S&D): 6.1%

Note this are EXIT polls and NOT a projected prediction from actual count and are unofficial.

They are close to the prediction, but do differ slightly.

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woman12345 · 23/04/2017 19:16

It's the end of French socialist party, financially bankrupted too, I heard. What times.

mathanxiety · 23/04/2017 19:24

Wrt 'mummy' - you have to ask yourself what sort of home life these people had.

Cloudgaga · 23/04/2017 19:26

re French GE, what happens next considering current results?

Emmanuel Macron 23,7%

Marine Le Pen 21,7%

woman12345 · 23/04/2017 19:26

^Brexit: EU demands Britain pay divorce bill in euros not pounds
Leaked document reveals a tougher stance from the EU, which has already said Britain might have to pay 60 billion euros as a condition of exiting the bloc^
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-divorce-bill-uk-brexit-divorce-bill-pay-euros-pounds-european-council-commision-a7694366.html

RedToothBrush · 23/04/2017 19:30

www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2017/04/aldershot-conservatives-threaten-revolt-over-cchqs-refusal-to-offer-them-hannan-as-a-candidate.html
Aldershot Conservatives threaten revolt over CCHQ’s refusal to offer them Hannan as a candidate

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ImpYCelyn · 23/04/2017 19:30

Melenchon's spokesperson has pointed out that last time round the projection put MLP in the low 20s and by the end of counting she'd dropped 5%. They're refusing to acknowledge she's through yet.

Very little chance of MLP winning against Macron in second round.

Still we're nervous. We've just committed to moving back to France in July...

RedToothBrush · 23/04/2017 19:35

Cloudgaga

Westministenders: Oh No Not Another One. Thread that is.
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woman12345 · 23/04/2017 19:41

@JonnElledge 4h4 hours ago
Jonn Elledge Retweeted Mark Wallace
I've always thought very highly of the fine people of CCHQ

Interesting one this.

PolynesianGirl · 23/04/2017 19:45

Most parties have already asked their supporters to vote for Macron and AGAINST LePen in th second round.
The same thing has happened before with her father when he went to the second round.
People who are voting Frint National will always vote for them but when it comes to other people giving them their support, very few will. People from the left will be much happier to vote for Macron (or gene Filluon if he had gone to the second round) than for MLP.

The issue as far as I can see is that Macron doesn't have a party as such behind him so things can swing wildly again with the election of the MPs. The way the assembly is (i.e. How many MPs from right and left) will actually determine what the french politics will be in the next 5 years. Normally, whoever is winning the presidential election also has the majority in the Assemblée Nationale. This time, because Macron doesn't have a party behind him, I'm not sure he will get enough députés (MPs) to do what he wants.
Worth noting too that Macron is the one of the candidates that was the most vocal about being pro Europe. THAT isn't a good news for the UK and the coming negociations...

RedToothBrush · 23/04/2017 19:52

Marie Le Conte‏*@youngvulgarian*
Am not liking this whole 'entire political establishment immediately endorses Macron' thing. May be bad US memories, but doesn't feel right.

Tom Hamilton‏*@thhamilton*
Imagine voting for an anti-fascist candidate, in a field of two which also contains an actual fascist, with anything other than enthusiasm.

Hmm...

Lots of people on twitter saying The Bots have just appeared shouting about Le Pen.

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CopperRose · 23/04/2017 19:54

I am increasingly thinking the best thing for labour would be for all the major names to lose their seats. Maybe getting wiped out and having to start again with a relatively unknown band of bright young things is what is needed.

Me too.

I am keeping everything crossed that Corbyn loses his seat at a minimum.

CopperRose · 23/04/2017 19:57

And agree with Cooper/Dave M/Balls being the potential Saviours Of Labour either.

The whole shower of them need getting rid of.

Clean sweep of the broom & back to what they could & should be.

ImpYCelyn · 23/04/2017 19:57

They're interviewing supporters of Fillon and Melenchon on French TV and so far all the ones they've asked have said they'll not vote for either Macron or MLP. So it might be a narrower margin for Macron that you'd think. Personally I agree with the tweet above, how can any right minded person even hesitate about voting against a fascist!

PolynesianGirl · 23/04/2017 19:57

Am not liking this whole 'entire political establishment immediately endorses Macron' thing. May be bad US memories, but doesn't feel right
Actually this has happened before in France and this is exactely what has happened.
This is why the Party socialiste was quick to support him as well as Fillion. MAcron appeals to both sides (because he has a foot in both sides tbf). That's also why the next election for the MPs will be crucial in defining where he will actually stand.
But what no one wants is a fascist like MLP and the whole political class has always been quite clear about that.

woman12345 · 23/04/2017 19:58

The Bots have just appeared shouting about Le Pen
Yep, noticed that already nearby, the Macron bashers are starting their evening shift.

Cloudgaga · 23/04/2017 20:01

red not sure i understand that table Blush

PolynesianGirl · 23/04/2017 20:02

All the stats show that the most people that will vote for her are the one that have voted on the first round.
She might gain some from Mélanchon (there has been some movement between him and her before the vote).
I doubt that she will gain from anyone else.

As for not bothering voting, I believe that people will go and vote if they are getting worried she might get first. Just to be able to stop her.

PolynesianGirl · 23/04/2017 20:04

Cloud it's the polls from different agencies (with the size of the samples they've used) of how well Macron and MLP will do in the second round.
Whatbthis says is that all of them says Macron will win with between 60 and 67% of the votes.

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