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Westministenders: Oh No Not Another One. Thread that is.

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RedToothBrush · 22/04/2017 12:19

In this edition of Westministers we play a game of ‘Where are they now?’

In June 2016 our screens were subjected to the sight of a number of particularly vocal MPs who participated in debates and stood on soap boxes to talk about the referendum.

The most noticeable of these for Leave were perhaps Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Andrea Leadsom, Gisela Stuart, Nigel Farage, Priti Patel and Kate Hoey. For Remain it was David Cameron, George Osborne, Jeremy Corbyn, Ruth Davidson, Sadiq Khan, Nicola Sturgeon, Nick Clegg and Tim Farron.

It is starting to seem that anyone involved in campaigning either for or against Brexit in June 2016 has faced an epic battle for survival. Just how long can they last before being defeated or conceding defeat.

David Cameron’s scalp was the first to go, as he swanned off leaving everyone to clear up his mess.

Boris Johnson, who was keen to stamp his mark and pitch for the leadership by stitching up Cameron, got stitched up by Michael Gove who also lost his own bid for leadership as a result.

Johnson, of course, still lives to fight another day by getting a nice job as Theresa’s whipping boy. He’s occasionally let out by himself, but its Michael Fallon who does the ‘Grown Up Business’. He was said to be one of the last to support an early election. I can’t think why that might be.

Poor old Gove is now confined to a straight-jacket, the back benches where he’s been told to think about what he’s done like a naughty school child and a column in the Times

Andrea Leadsom was sent to a field of cows never to be seen again except to pop up for the odd cameo line shouting about ‘Jam’.

Queen Theresa also dealt with the other Conservative Leader Leave Candidate Mr Liam Fox, by shipping him off to every dodgy corner of the global to get pampered by state hostility.

Stephen Crabb simply crawled back under his rock.

The announcement of the General Election seems to be like the major soap incident episode where half the cast get killed off by a totally unrealistic disaster because their acting contracts weren’t being renewed.

The quitters and abdicators who now have legged it at the sight of a General Election are Gisela ‘Champion of the Brexit Bus’ Stuart and Nigel ‘Too chicken to be defeated for an eighth time and risk losing my nice EU pension’ Farage. George Osborne took the advice of his school teachers and had another career to fall back on when he didn’t become successful in his first choice.

Its rather starting to look like the curse of being a leading Brexiteer is to be made to disappear off the face of the earth or fuck off when the going gets tough. Have you seen Priti Patel lately? Does she even still exist? And Chris Grayling? He was convinced he was going to get chancellor when he supported May in her bid for the leadership.
Instead he got packed off transport and disappeared off the face of the earth much to the annoyance of everyone caught up in the rail strikes.

The only one who is remotely visible seems to be David Davis and is like May’s pet poodle who just tries to please his owner.

It’s almost like the only one still standing or hasn’t been banished is Kate Hoey. And the Lib Dems are trying to work on that one and make her sink beneath the waves, on board her Alan Partridge Titanic once and for all.

Conversely the visible Remainers seem to be – on the face of it - fairing rather better at the moment.

Sadiq Khan is hugely popular and actually does his job rather than fannying about on zip wires. Ruth Davidson is also well respected and apparently has saved Priti Patel’s job from abolition. If the rumours are to be believed bored with scrapping with Nicola, she might be lining herself up for ‘Big Things’ in Westminister. Cameron’s one time love interest, Nick Clegg hasn’t shaken the tarnish of the coalition but he is enjoying a new reputation as the Brexit Soothsayer and some people actually know who Tim Farron is now, which is progress. Nicola Sturgeon is of course riding high and seems to be a permanent thorn in Theresa’s side.

Jeremy ‘I’m a Remainer, honest comrades’ Corbyn is the one who seems to be something of a walking disaster area yet is also thriving with it like a zombie who just keeps going regardless of what you throw at him.

And then of course there is Queen Theresa. The Remainer. Who has crushed everyone in her party. Not just the saboteurs. Even her supposed ally Hammond and BBF Rudd have been thrown under the bus at her wimb when its suited May personally.

The General Election now sets a new scene and opportunity for new characters to emerge. Now the rats have left the ship or been put in their place.

Will May set course to the left or to the right or simply plow on like a bull in a china shop?

Anyway I’m now looking forward to the shocking soap opera moment where your favourite hero or villain gets killed off in a twist you didn’t see coming. Role on June 8th. If only to get pass the upcoming horror of the next six weeks.

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woman12345 · 29/04/2017 09:42

My grandfather was a captain in the Merchant Navy. He used to do the food convoys through the U boats, during last war. When my uncle and mother were kids, he took them on a trip to the ROI, where it was still chocolate heaven, as there was no rationing in a neutral state.
ROI might be the nearest point to us for chocolate and democracy in 18 months time.

HesterThrale · 29/04/2017 10:27

Angry Katie Hopkins tweeting about Ramadan. 'Without food these sods get nasty.'

www.google.co.uk/amp/m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_5902dc56e4b05c39767d6cd9/amp

SapphireStrange · 29/04/2017 10:33

She really is a solid gold cunt, isn't she? They HAVE to get her for hate speech. Enough is enough, surely?

woman12345 · 29/04/2017 10:37

Hester, hope that the Visit My Mosque campaign is repeated at the end of Ramadan. She seems a troubled soul that Katie Hopkins.

Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39754909

I'm just comparing this ^ and this:

Digital Economy Act
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Economy_Act_2017
As the BBFC are likely to become the regulator, this has caused discussion about ISPs being required to block content that is prohibited even under an R18 certificate, the prohibition of some of which is itself controversial.

Ostensibly to block pornography, to under 18s. Hmm

BiglyBadgers · 29/04/2017 10:47

I think many farmers might disagree with Lord Lawson on this one Hmm

Brexit: Bankers are welcome in UK but 'we don't need Romanian fruit pickers', says Lord Lawson
'It's people like the Romanian fruit pickers that we don't need. It is not the highly skilled people that the City wants - who will always be welcome', former Tory Chancellor said
www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-nigel-lawson-bankers-welcome-uk-romanian-fruit-pickers-no-need-tory-peer-chancellor-a7708331.html

prettybird · 29/04/2017 10:59

Woman - and as my friends (who are experts in the IP Act and the Digital Economy Bill) have pointed out, there is no right of appeal against the regulator Angry

SwedishEdith · 29/04/2017 11:15

The UK border being in France (and the French border in the UK) came about as a result of the tunnel, I think. It was a pragmatic decision and worked perfectly well until the migrant crisis. That meant there was disproportionate pressure on one end of the border. So, I'm not ""astonished that France tolerated this" because it was a mutual arrangement. Global issues have created an imbalance. Maybe the balance will change as UK citizens try to migrate to the EU? Grin

Just a thought about NI citizens who live in mainland UK - if/when Ireland reunites, what will their status be? Will they be given automatic dual citizenship? Might be worth some non-NI UK nationals relocating to NI?

Callmecordelia · 29/04/2017 11:20

On borders with France and the channel tunnel, my understanding is actually there are small bits on this side of the channel that are France and vice versa. So the middle platform at Ashford international station where the Eurostars stop is actually legally France - similarly at the terminal in Folkestone. I'm reaching back quite far here to the tours I took during construction, but the emphasis was that passport control (the French in the UK and the British in France) was in the departure country so you could just drive off the shuttle and straight onto the autoroute without any hassle.

Callmecordelia · 29/04/2017 11:21

Cross post with SwedishEdith.

woman12345 · 29/04/2017 11:33

prettybird Shock

Mistigri · 29/04/2017 11:36

On borders with France and the channel tunnel, my understanding is actually there are small bits on this side of the channel that are France and vice versa.

I haven't been on the car shuttle recently but on Eurostar, once you pass through passport control at Lille or Paris, you are effectively in the UK at that point. And vice versa once you pass through passport control at St Pancras. So this isn't just an issue at the channel ports.

Before Le Touquet, hundreds if not thousands of asylum seekers used to arrive in London by train each year. Back then I believe it was train services, rather than the car shuttles and ferries, which were seen as the big problem for border control.

prettybird · 29/04/2017 11:53

Good article here from Iain McWhirter.

Personally, I think he could have been even more hard hitting (eg including her dire record at the Home Office, with her illegal deportations of students).

https://iainmacwhirter.wordpress.com/2017/04/29/may-is-a-serial-abuser-of-the-democratic-process/

Cailleach1 · 29/04/2017 11:58

From Tusk. It sounds reassuringly like they know what they are doing. Everything already prepared.

"But before discussing our future we have to sort out our past, and we will handle it with genuine care, but fairly.

"This I think is the only possible way to move forward.

"We also need solid guarantees for all citizens and their families who will be affected by Brexit on both sides.

"This must be the number one priority for the EU and the UK.

"And the Commission has already prepared a precise and detailed list of citizens' rights we want to protect."

SwedishEdith · 29/04/2017 12:10

Juxtaposed controls

"In 1991, the Sangatte Protocol was signed between France and the UK, an agreement that provided for border checkpoints to be set up by France at Cheriton in Kent and for border checkpoints to be set up by the UK at Coquelles in France. The Protocol was brought into effect for the UK by the Channel Tunnel (International Arrangements) Order 1993, and for France by Presidential Decree."

SwedishEdith · 29/04/2017 12:42

Not sure if this has been posted - Wales Online.

A once loyal Conservative writes about his disillusionment with Theresa May's party

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/news-opinion/once-loyal-conservative-writes-disillusionment-12954216

NinonDeLenclos · 29/04/2017 13:21

I entirely agree with him re Hannan's comments. A middle way to a soft Brexit could have been sold to the country on the basis of the narrow margin. If there had been political will. That was always an option. Hard Brexit is stupid, stupid choice.

Peregrina · 29/04/2017 13:32

I wish we could see a lot more disillusioned Tories, and ones who get out and vote for some other party. They surely can't be happy in a party which is rapidly becoming neo-fascist?

woman12345 · 29/04/2017 13:45

I think CCHQ are running the show very centrally Peregrina: Pickles' old seat is yet another where local tories are not happy:
Brentwood conservatives parachute in candidates from outside town to contest seat
www.essexlive.news/anger-after-tories-three-parachute-candidates-from-outside-brentwood/story-30292131-detail/story.html

lalalonglegs · 29/04/2017 13:53

A mildly cheering piece of news - Jack Monroe (the poverty food blogger) is standing against Conservative MP David Amess in her home town of Southend.

She was recently awarded £24,000 compensation after Katie Hopkins libelled her on Twitter and took the time to thank Hopkins at her campaign launch for her “generous – if unwitting – contribution to saving the National Health Service”. Grin

prettybird · 29/04/2017 14:18

Not sure if this has already been posted:

www.politico.eu/article/britains-brexit-denial/?utm_content=buffer26093&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Explains Merkel's " delusions illusions" comments. Illustrates how much our government is living in an alternative reality - and how lacking in diplmacy and nous TM is.

Goes a long way to explain why TM and Trump got one: he too likes to live in an alternate reality. Although at least ye, after 10 attempts to say otherwise, on the 11th time, did finally understand Merkel when she told hom that "No, the USA couldn't have its own trade deal with Germany; it had to be with the EU"

Not sure how many times messages like that - of statements of fact - will have to be repeated before the UK negotiators finally "get it"? Hmm I have a suspicion that the "broken record" technique will have a deep groove in the record! Grin

HesterThrale · 29/04/2017 15:41

Eric Pickles' constituency Tories have selected Alex Burghart, a Special Policy Advisor from TM's policy unit (who has worked with Fiona Hill) to represent Brentwood. He fought for Islington against Corbyn in 2015.
It seems some locals are unhappy that no local candidate was even interviewed. The other candidates were Gagan Mohindra and Sarah Heald. So not very diverse either. A case of the 'strong and stable' party leadership moulding their MP body to what flavour suits their ends. Is this the shape of things to come? Yes-men being planted across the nation?

www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2017/04/alex-burghart-wins-the-brentwood-and-ongar-selection-contest.html#comments

RedToothBrush · 29/04/2017 16:26

BREAKING: EU27 leaders have accepted Ireland's declaration that in the event of unity referendum Northern Ireland wd automatically rejoin EU

Oh. Bugger.

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woman12345 · 29/04/2017 16:42

And more good news:

@faisalislam
10. All EU Law rights guaranteed for anyone until then, including permanent residence - means anyone here from Mar 29 2014 guaranteed

in the event of unity referendum Northern Ireland wd automatically rejoin EU
How does one apply for NI citizenship?

lalalonglegs · 29/04/2017 16:51

2014?

SwedishEdith · 29/04/2017 16:55

Is that not a reference to have been here for 5 years by 2019?