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Westministenders: Oh No Not Another One. Thread that is.

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RedToothBrush · 22/04/2017 12:19

In this edition of Westministers we play a game of ‘Where are they now?’

In June 2016 our screens were subjected to the sight of a number of particularly vocal MPs who participated in debates and stood on soap boxes to talk about the referendum.

The most noticeable of these for Leave were perhaps Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Andrea Leadsom, Gisela Stuart, Nigel Farage, Priti Patel and Kate Hoey. For Remain it was David Cameron, George Osborne, Jeremy Corbyn, Ruth Davidson, Sadiq Khan, Nicola Sturgeon, Nick Clegg and Tim Farron.

It is starting to seem that anyone involved in campaigning either for or against Brexit in June 2016 has faced an epic battle for survival. Just how long can they last before being defeated or conceding defeat.

David Cameron’s scalp was the first to go, as he swanned off leaving everyone to clear up his mess.

Boris Johnson, who was keen to stamp his mark and pitch for the leadership by stitching up Cameron, got stitched up by Michael Gove who also lost his own bid for leadership as a result.

Johnson, of course, still lives to fight another day by getting a nice job as Theresa’s whipping boy. He’s occasionally let out by himself, but its Michael Fallon who does the ‘Grown Up Business’. He was said to be one of the last to support an early election. I can’t think why that might be.

Poor old Gove is now confined to a straight-jacket, the back benches where he’s been told to think about what he’s done like a naughty school child and a column in the Times

Andrea Leadsom was sent to a field of cows never to be seen again except to pop up for the odd cameo line shouting about ‘Jam’.

Queen Theresa also dealt with the other Conservative Leader Leave Candidate Mr Liam Fox, by shipping him off to every dodgy corner of the global to get pampered by state hostility.

Stephen Crabb simply crawled back under his rock.

The announcement of the General Election seems to be like the major soap incident episode where half the cast get killed off by a totally unrealistic disaster because their acting contracts weren’t being renewed.

The quitters and abdicators who now have legged it at the sight of a General Election are Gisela ‘Champion of the Brexit Bus’ Stuart and Nigel ‘Too chicken to be defeated for an eighth time and risk losing my nice EU pension’ Farage. George Osborne took the advice of his school teachers and had another career to fall back on when he didn’t become successful in his first choice.

Its rather starting to look like the curse of being a leading Brexiteer is to be made to disappear off the face of the earth or fuck off when the going gets tough. Have you seen Priti Patel lately? Does she even still exist? And Chris Grayling? He was convinced he was going to get chancellor when he supported May in her bid for the leadership.
Instead he got packed off transport and disappeared off the face of the earth much to the annoyance of everyone caught up in the rail strikes.

The only one who is remotely visible seems to be David Davis and is like May’s pet poodle who just tries to please his owner.

It’s almost like the only one still standing or hasn’t been banished is Kate Hoey. And the Lib Dems are trying to work on that one and make her sink beneath the waves, on board her Alan Partridge Titanic once and for all.

Conversely the visible Remainers seem to be – on the face of it - fairing rather better at the moment.

Sadiq Khan is hugely popular and actually does his job rather than fannying about on zip wires. Ruth Davidson is also well respected and apparently has saved Priti Patel’s job from abolition. If the rumours are to be believed bored with scrapping with Nicola, she might be lining herself up for ‘Big Things’ in Westminister. Cameron’s one time love interest, Nick Clegg hasn’t shaken the tarnish of the coalition but he is enjoying a new reputation as the Brexit Soothsayer and some people actually know who Tim Farron is now, which is progress. Nicola Sturgeon is of course riding high and seems to be a permanent thorn in Theresa’s side.

Jeremy ‘I’m a Remainer, honest comrades’ Corbyn is the one who seems to be something of a walking disaster area yet is also thriving with it like a zombie who just keeps going regardless of what you throw at him.

And then of course there is Queen Theresa. The Remainer. Who has crushed everyone in her party. Not just the saboteurs. Even her supposed ally Hammond and BBF Rudd have been thrown under the bus at her wimb when its suited May personally.

The General Election now sets a new scene and opportunity for new characters to emerge. Now the rats have left the ship or been put in their place.

Will May set course to the left or to the right or simply plow on like a bull in a china shop?

Anyway I’m now looking forward to the shocking soap opera moment where your favourite hero or villain gets killed off in a twist you didn’t see coming. Role on June 8th. If only to get pass the upcoming horror of the next six weeks.

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woman12345 · 27/04/2017 12:58

Knowingly lying or alternative facts?
Hashi Stuff like that does two things at once: pleases the core supporters for whom he has absolute contempt and wind up the impotent opposition.

Mistigri · 27/04/2017 13:02

Excellent FT comment shared on Twitter by DAG:

mobile.twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/857548032614813696

Someone else expressing my view (tho' can't remember if I said it on this thread or another) that in a few years time as few people will admit to having voted for brexit as currently admit to having supported the Iraq war (at the time I believe that polling showed about 2/3 in favour of the war on Iraq; now almost no one tells the truth about it).

Cailleach1 · 27/04/2017 13:03

Shouldn't he be asked when it is going as an extra amount to the NHS at least once every appearance then? He campaigned in front of it. And is still saying it is the correct amount. If he doesn't engage or tries to fluff it off in his not so cute stage persona, he should be asked if he lying then.

woman12345 · 27/04/2017 13:04

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/27/le-pens-replacement-as-fn-leader-questioned-existence-of-gas-chambers

^Marine Le Pen’s replacement as acting leader of the Front National during the final days of her French presidential campaign is facing criticism over past statements he made apparently questioning the existence of gas chambers.
“I believe we should be able to discuss this issue [of gas chambers],” Jean-François Jalkh, who was nominated interim president of the far-right party after Le Pen’s decision to stand aside, reportedly told an academic in an interview in 2000.
In comments unearthed by a journalist at La Croix newspaper and republished in Le Monde, Jalkh, an MEP, argued he was not a Holocaust denier but had spoken to a chemistry expert about Zyklon B, the gas used in the extermination chambers.
“I consider that from a technical standpoint it is impossible – and I stress, impossible – to use it in mass exterminations. Why? Because you need several days to decontaminate a space … where Zyklon B has been used.^

Cailleach1 · 27/04/2017 13:08

From todays Indo. I wonder if Jean Claude and Michel were 'clear' to Theresa over dinner in Downing Street.

"Angela Merkel has said British politicians are still living under the “illusion” that the UK will retain most of its rights and privileges once it leaves the European Union."

“Ladies and gentlemen,” she continued, “you may think that all this is self-evident. But I have to put this so clearly because I get the impression that some in Great Britain still have illusions about this, and that is a waste of time.”

Cailleach1 · 27/04/2017 13:10

Oops, Guardian, not Indo.

Cailleach1 · 27/04/2017 13:13

'he was not a Holocaust denier but'.

Mind you, it is the FN. You might be surprised if it was the Fabian Society.

Mistigri · 27/04/2017 13:24

I have this FN news including the quote re zyklon b plastered all over my FB, as a hint to the mélenchonbros that they might be getting the boot if they don't stop their white male snowflake whinging.

My late stepfather was Jewish and I take this really fucking personally.

HashiAsLarry · 27/04/2017 13:38

Yeah, I mean if I were a nazi I'd be pretty peed off that these soldiers came in and found all our dodgy chemicals then decided we'd used them for something else Hmm

I'm not sure if being a holocaust denier is in someway preferable to being a holocaust minimiser.

prettybird · 27/04/2017 13:39

Angela Merkel's word was wrong: it's not "illusions", it's "delusions" SadAngry

Peregrina · 27/04/2017 14:41

Meanwhile, back in Oxfordshire, now that Nicola Blackwood finds that her seat is being targetted by Remain groups, she gets annoyed, and starts complaining. She voted Remain, she reminds us. What she hasn't bothered to tell us is how she has voted in the subsequent ten months, voting to trigger A50 being the main one and hasn't had the decency to tell us what made her change her mind other than 'the people have spoken'. Now that an election is imminent, she appears to have realised that Constituents can't be taken for granted. What on earth did she expect?

MsHooliesCardigan · 27/04/2017 14:45

According to the front page of The Times, the latest opinion poll (can't remember which organisation but one of the big ones) puts 45% of those polled favouring Remain and 43% for Leave with 12% DK.

Zxyzoey31 · 27/04/2017 15:34

So if there are these polls showing more people now think Brexit is -ve and more would vote remain now, could somebody please say this to every person and all the cons who say the country has spoken and we must unite (for Brexit). This unite rubbish annoys me so much I do not even have the words for it.

Motheroffourdragons · 27/04/2017 15:38

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Two4One2017 · 27/04/2017 15:56

I found the blog piece embedded in the article linked by Motheroffourdragons interesting

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39731896

Seems BoJo said this in the Commons last week....but it was missed by the 24/7 journos because they were so busy focusing on the General Election!

HashiAsLarry · 27/04/2017 15:57

Shocking isn't it peregrina 😂
Any likelihood you'll run into her campaigning and be able to ask her for a good reason to now back brexit. For the laugh if nothing else?

NinonDeLenclos · 27/04/2017 16:13

The poll was YouGov.

NinonDeLenclos · 27/04/2017 16:14

That poll echoes other less reliable ones - online newspaper polls etc - indicating a shift in public opinion.

BiglyBadgers · 27/04/2017 16:14

Well, they didn't get out of that one so easily then ...

Air pollution plan cannot be delayed, court rules
Court rules immediate publication is essential and rejects a plea by government to delay until after the election
www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/27/air-pollution-plan-election-campaign-bomb-court-government

BiglyBadgers · 27/04/2017 16:16

That poll echoes other less reliable ones - online newspaper polls etc - indicating a shift in public opinion.

Another one of the many reasons why we are having an election now. Before that opinion shifts so much it impacts on the Tories popularity and May losses her main selling point.

Motheroffourdragons · 27/04/2017 16:26

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HashiAsLarry · 27/04/2017 16:36

Who needs a government eh? Lets just let Bojo the clown decide

BiglyBadgers · 27/04/2017 17:02

It is an interesting one dragons. I have wondered before at what the public reaction would be if May joined forces with Trump in a War. Particularly if she continued her habit of making decisions without going to parliament first. I don't think the public would like it at all.

HashiAsLarry · 27/04/2017 17:15

So Nuttalls of the UKIPs will stand. Just doesn't know where yet.

BBC of course

Clacton maybe?

NinonDeLenclos · 27/04/2017 17:34

I should say that no polls are reliable in any meaningful sense, but some have better methodology than others.

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