Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Brexit

Westministenders: Oh No Not Another One. Thread that is.

976 replies

RedToothBrush · 22/04/2017 12:19

In this edition of Westministers we play a game of ‘Where are they now?’

In June 2016 our screens were subjected to the sight of a number of particularly vocal MPs who participated in debates and stood on soap boxes to talk about the referendum.

The most noticeable of these for Leave were perhaps Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Andrea Leadsom, Gisela Stuart, Nigel Farage, Priti Patel and Kate Hoey. For Remain it was David Cameron, George Osborne, Jeremy Corbyn, Ruth Davidson, Sadiq Khan, Nicola Sturgeon, Nick Clegg and Tim Farron.

It is starting to seem that anyone involved in campaigning either for or against Brexit in June 2016 has faced an epic battle for survival. Just how long can they last before being defeated or conceding defeat.

David Cameron’s scalp was the first to go, as he swanned off leaving everyone to clear up his mess.

Boris Johnson, who was keen to stamp his mark and pitch for the leadership by stitching up Cameron, got stitched up by Michael Gove who also lost his own bid for leadership as a result.

Johnson, of course, still lives to fight another day by getting a nice job as Theresa’s whipping boy. He’s occasionally let out by himself, but its Michael Fallon who does the ‘Grown Up Business’. He was said to be one of the last to support an early election. I can’t think why that might be.

Poor old Gove is now confined to a straight-jacket, the back benches where he’s been told to think about what he’s done like a naughty school child and a column in the Times

Andrea Leadsom was sent to a field of cows never to be seen again except to pop up for the odd cameo line shouting about ‘Jam’.

Queen Theresa also dealt with the other Conservative Leader Leave Candidate Mr Liam Fox, by shipping him off to every dodgy corner of the global to get pampered by state hostility.

Stephen Crabb simply crawled back under his rock.

The announcement of the General Election seems to be like the major soap incident episode where half the cast get killed off by a totally unrealistic disaster because their acting contracts weren’t being renewed.

The quitters and abdicators who now have legged it at the sight of a General Election are Gisela ‘Champion of the Brexit Bus’ Stuart and Nigel ‘Too chicken to be defeated for an eighth time and risk losing my nice EU pension’ Farage. George Osborne took the advice of his school teachers and had another career to fall back on when he didn’t become successful in his first choice.

Its rather starting to look like the curse of being a leading Brexiteer is to be made to disappear off the face of the earth or fuck off when the going gets tough. Have you seen Priti Patel lately? Does she even still exist? And Chris Grayling? He was convinced he was going to get chancellor when he supported May in her bid for the leadership.
Instead he got packed off transport and disappeared off the face of the earth much to the annoyance of everyone caught up in the rail strikes.

The only one who is remotely visible seems to be David Davis and is like May’s pet poodle who just tries to please his owner.

It’s almost like the only one still standing or hasn’t been banished is Kate Hoey. And the Lib Dems are trying to work on that one and make her sink beneath the waves, on board her Alan Partridge Titanic once and for all.

Conversely the visible Remainers seem to be – on the face of it - fairing rather better at the moment.

Sadiq Khan is hugely popular and actually does his job rather than fannying about on zip wires. Ruth Davidson is also well respected and apparently has saved Priti Patel’s job from abolition. If the rumours are to be believed bored with scrapping with Nicola, she might be lining herself up for ‘Big Things’ in Westminister. Cameron’s one time love interest, Nick Clegg hasn’t shaken the tarnish of the coalition but he is enjoying a new reputation as the Brexit Soothsayer and some people actually know who Tim Farron is now, which is progress. Nicola Sturgeon is of course riding high and seems to be a permanent thorn in Theresa’s side.

Jeremy ‘I’m a Remainer, honest comrades’ Corbyn is the one who seems to be something of a walking disaster area yet is also thriving with it like a zombie who just keeps going regardless of what you throw at him.

And then of course there is Queen Theresa. The Remainer. Who has crushed everyone in her party. Not just the saboteurs. Even her supposed ally Hammond and BBF Rudd have been thrown under the bus at her wimb when its suited May personally.

The General Election now sets a new scene and opportunity for new characters to emerge. Now the rats have left the ship or been put in their place.

Will May set course to the left or to the right or simply plow on like a bull in a china shop?

Anyway I’m now looking forward to the shocking soap opera moment where your favourite hero or villain gets killed off in a twist you didn’t see coming. Role on June 8th. If only to get pass the upcoming horror of the next six weeks.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
8
Badders123 · 24/04/2017 14:44

Paul nuttall has barricaded himself in a room and refused to answer if he will be standing in the GE

squoosh · 24/04/2017 15:03

As part of their Integration Agenda that UKIP launched today they suggest

“Implement school-based medical checks on girls from groups at high risk of suffering FGM. These should take place annually and whenever they return from trips overseas.”

Mmm, cause nothing says protecting girls' bodily autonomy like forcing them to undergo post holiday vaginal examinations.

Gumpendorf · 24/04/2017 15:17

Esther McVey shortlisted for Tatton.

Dear god, no Shock

CeciledeVolanges · 24/04/2017 15:20

I love that Lico

CeciledeVolanges · 24/04/2017 15:21

Not the UKIP policy or McVey, though. Just to be clear.

CopperRose · 24/04/2017 15:45

From the 'recruiting nightmare' article (a cafe owner talking about the lack of EU cheap labour):

"...She says she has had to implement an 8% wage increase to encourage current staff to remain in their roles and as a drawcard for hiring seasonal workers for the summer..."

And yet apparently wages were/are not kept down by the abundance of cheap labour in low-skilled/unskilled roles.

RedToothBrush · 24/04/2017 15:48

The Lib Dems are going to break with tradition and stand a candidate against John Bercow the Speaker in Buckinghamshire (who is technically Conservative but this has been questioned in recent years). Labour have already said they will not stand here.

I quite like Bercow. However I guess if he stands down as Speaker in a couple of years then he'll be off to the back benches and the whip or there will be a by-election.

Guido Fawkes thinks their logic is that he gives the LDs and Farron in paticular a harder time than either Lab or Cons so they don't have a lot of lose by standing.

I'm not sure how I feel about it. Having an uncontested seat there seems undemocratic (Farage has stood there before for this reason).

Jim Waterson‏*@jimwaterson*

Trying to contact local UKIP branches based on 2016 phone numbers = string of people saying "sorry I've joined the Tories/been kicked out".

OP posts:
Badders123 · 24/04/2017 15:53

I feel the same re bercow red
I like him but no seat should be uncontested

HashiAsLarry · 24/04/2017 16:05

Or you know, its maybe this that's also in the article Hmm

“If you’re an EU citizen, the weakened pound means you’ve now got to earn 15% more than last year to make Britain attractive,” he says.

Cloudgaga · 24/04/2017 16:09

"As part of their Integration Agenda that UKIP launched today they suggest

“Implement school-based medical checks on girls from groups at high risk of suffering FGM. These should take place annually and whenever they return from trips overseas.”

Mmm, cause nothing says protecting girls' bodily autonomy like forcing them to undergo post holiday vaginal examinations."

So entering if it weren't so bloody outrageously fucked up Angry

Imagine for one horrible moment this policy was a reality: in addition to getting flu vaccinations along with their peers in primary school, girls with brown or black skin will be asked to see the district school nurse, no wait not a nurse cos there is no budget for that, a health care assistant with minimum training, and will undergo intimate examination. Maybe photographic evidence will be needed and a images added to the pupil's school record.

Now imagine a girl had been mutilated what do UKIP suggest will the council do about it?

Utterly an insanely despicable that such horrific policy and debate is even in the public sphere. It's fascism.

I say this as an active campaigner against FGM and as somebody who refuse to use the term cutting as it minimises what this horrid procedure .

UKIP really are thick as pig shit.

Cloudgaga · 24/04/2017 16:11

soz for bad selling am speechless and so utterly shocked and disgusted at UKIPs outrageous policy proposal.

Didin't we have a thread here a few months ago where MNetters discussed their horrible experiences with forced showering after PE? So hypocritical of UKIP to pretend they are promoting women's rights. Anything but.

Cloudgaga · 24/04/2017 16:11

*SPelling.

howabout · 24/04/2017 16:17

John Bercow's seat has been Conservative since 1970. The vote may have been narrow Remain but I don't see it going LibDem over Brexit. I am a bit shocked the LibDem would seek to undermine the Office of Speaker in this way for no purpose. Fake news?

tiggytape · 24/04/2017 16:28

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

woman12345 · 24/04/2017 16:28

It's fascism which is not good for feminism, ever. I agree cloud
Punishing female victims of male violence; gruesome and well suited to the ukips.

This country has become a infested with a particular type of
espèce de nazillon illettré. Love that one, please keep the french insults coming, they suit the british fascists so well. German ones would be a laugh too. We'll always have grootbrexitknopf from Holland.

woman12345 · 24/04/2017 16:32

Chastened by the Abbot piece tiggytape Shock

tiggytape · 24/04/2017 16:39

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Mistigri · 24/04/2017 16:42

I was horrified at this suggestion too yet on the lunchtime news they said mandatory checks already takes place in France. Not quite believing it, I Googled and found an article from 2014 where Diane Abbot talked about France's policy and approved of France's policy! She wasn't the only one who advocated it.

You won't be surprised to hear that it's a complete misrepresentation of the french approach - which is based on prevention - link here: stop-violences-femmes.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/Lettre_ONVF_9_-Mutilation_sexuelles_feminines-_fev_2016.pdf

Abbot is a muppet.

HashiAsLarry · 24/04/2017 16:43

Nothing says you're an equal by forcing girls with darker skin or forrin sounding names to show random people their foofs Hmm

missmoon · 24/04/2017 16:50

"And yet apparently wages were/are not kept down by the abundance of cheap labour in low-skilled/unskilled roles."

This is a short-term view. In the long term, an 8% increase in wages (plus the additional income tax / NI contributions) is unsustainable for many small businesses, so some will close down. This leads to higher supply of labour and hence lower wages. The economy will shrink, partly due to the lower purchasing power of the existing residents and residents (immigrants) who have left. Everyone is worse off in the long run.

tiggytape · 24/04/2017 16:53

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

HashiAsLarry · 24/04/2017 16:55

I think you meant misti there
My little interjection has no info Wink

RedToothBrush · 24/04/2017 16:57

Tories ahead in Wales by 10 points. First time they have been ahead since 1922.

I've heard that the Tory target is 480 seats... This is considerably higher than any prediction I've seen.

OP posts:
tiggytape · 24/04/2017 17:00

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

howabout · 24/04/2017 17:03

France already has burqa bans but it doesn't mean the UK should and it doesn't seem to lead to more "integration" or less terrorism.

The UK manages to produce figures for FGM without routine examinations and yet there have been no prosecutions. The laws are in place so it looks like a policy change on bringing prosecutions is required - zero tolerance just like the change in attitude required to tackle domestic violence and child abuse more generally.

Watched Countryfile in disbelief last night at the police resource being directed to Fly tipping, when councils could just properly resource waste collection and leave the police to deal with all the violence in our society.