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What are people's thoughts so far?

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Bearbehind · 16/04/2017 18:52

From where I'm standing it's a fucking shambles. So far TM has tried

  • threatening to turn the UK into a tax haven

then

  • threatening to walk away with no deal if necessary

Then

  • withdrawing security co-operation

Now

  • Telling the country we 'must unite' for apparently no other reason than she's told us to

As far as I can see this has all gone down like a cup of cold sick.

The EU have, quite rightly IMO, said 'piss off we're going to look after ourselves first even if it costs us in the short term'.

So who thinks things are going well so far?

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Dannythechampion · 17/04/2017 16:56

Its not just hawks and doves, treating it like you are going to beat your opponent like in poker isn't going to work, and its certainly not how international trade agreements work.

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Bearbehind · 17/04/2017 17:39

Please can someone, anyone, explain

  • why we ever thought we could retain EU agencies like EMA or EBA?
  • how our wish to do so is an asset in our negiotiations?

This is a totally serious question because, for the life of me, I cannot see a sensible answer, yet it seems to have come as a shock to those in power and they genuinely seem to think this is still up for discussion.

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Dannythechampion · 17/04/2017 17:59

Its hilarious and shows the lack of understanding that many people involved in brexit have of just how this is going to go.

Next thing Euro clearing and the jobs associated with it. There could be major issues with the airlines too, cause not being part of the EU or the customs union means the open skies act doesn't apply to us.

What else could be in the future? Car firms? Big Pharma firms?

Who knows.

Badders123 · 17/04/2017 18:31

Speaking personally we are planning to lock in a 5 year mortgage deal
Then save like mad
Because it's all going to turn to shit my friends
Good luck

Badders123 · 17/04/2017 18:32

It's baffling isn't it?
The brexiters mindset?
We want to leave the EU!
But we want to keep ALL the benefits!
What do you mean we can't?
You're so unfair!!!!

Dannythechampion · 17/04/2017 19:00

This has been my position from day 1 Badders.

The have your cake and eat it approach still seems to be what SOME Brexiters want, and will blame anyone but themselves if it doesn't happen.

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Bearbehind · 17/04/2017 19:04

It's sadly predictable that no one has any answers for the kind of question I posed above.

I think the fairies are supposed to be sorting everything out.

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Peregrina · 17/04/2017 19:13

- why we ever thought we could retain EU agencies like EMA or EBA?
Because the Govt. were convinced we could cherry pick, despite being told that it wasn't an option. Now it's starting to become a reality, and the Leavers, or those who comment in the Express, are crying foul. But it's what leavers wanted.

Badders123 · 17/04/2017 19:27

In better news guardians of the Galaxy is on BBC at 8.30
I think we could all do with some "pelvic sorcery" about now 😂

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 17/04/2017 19:56

badders

Going to see number 2 at the end of the month

So excited

PattyPenguin · 17/04/2017 20:09

The Leavers who can't understand why the EMA and EBA are moving out of London - how can people that thick walk and breathe at the same time?

The EMA is, according to its own description, an "agency of the European Union".

The EBA is ditto an "independent EU Authority".

How can agencies / authorities of the European Union have their offices in the UK when the UK is going to be outside the EU?

Anon1234567890 · 17/04/2017 20:37

Oh its terrible its all so awful the sky is falling in. We dont know the answers, we aren't in the loop, we cant imagine a future without the EU to look after us, so therefore its all a disaster.

Just because we dont know the answers yet doesn't mean they will be bad.

Mistigri · 17/04/2017 20:40

The Leavers who can't understand why the EMA and EBA are moving out of London - how can people that thick walk and breathe at the same time?

One of them appears to be able to act as an MP while being Minister for Brexit.

Either he's irredeemably stupid or he's a self-serving liar.

Dannythechampion · 17/04/2017 20:40

Hmm, constructive comment from a leaver there.

caroldecker · 17/04/2017 20:41

Bear I think you are adding up 2+2 to make 5. There is nothing in the article to suggest the UK wants to retain EU institutions. Both the UK and EU agree it is undecided where these agencies will be and that will be part of the negotiations.
It is obvious EU institutions will move out of the UK. However, if the UK want to have their own agencies for medicine (for example) or rely on the EU one is part of the negotiation. If the UK does have its own, it may well want to retain the staff - this again will be part of the negotiations.

Badders123 · 17/04/2017 20:42

It's not about the EU looking after us ffs!
It's about how the U.K. will cope after the EU (rightly) moves all the EU funded and EU based jobs elsewhere to member states!
We've benefitted from the EI for decades in this regard
And there is NO plan
NONE
to replace these jobs and industries
Unless you count being a dodgy tax haven for the Saudis of course in which case you will be bloody delirious 🙄

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Bearbehind · 17/04/2017 20:46

carol stop kidding yourself.

If that were the intention we would announce that. Instead we are making fools of ourselves and clinging to straws by saying 'it's not been decided yet'.

It might not have been decided yet but one thing is for sure, we don't have any say in that decision.

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Cailleach1 · 17/04/2017 20:48

"Maybe you could explain how you think we are in a position to 'negotiate' with regards to EBA and EMA?"

You're dead right on that one. The UK gov't is the only one flexing muscles and trying to pretend they have any control over things which will be the decision of the EU27. They are speaking to their own. Other member states of the EU will be preparing their bids as to why it should relocated in their part of the world. And the European Council will be discussing the new locations in their EU27 meetings.

It is unfortunate. The MHRA (and UK pharma) were greatly boosted by the EMA's presence. I hope there are no shortages wrt medicinal products. Lots of extra work all round.

it is just daft to be reading stuff like that in the UK press. 9 months after the ref.

PattyPenguin · 17/04/2017 20:49

How would the UK rely on the EU medicines agency? Do you think the EU will allow us to work with the EMA even if we're not members of the EU or in the EEA?

If the UK were in the EEA (which looks unlikely at the moment), we'd have to pay towards the EMA. In the unlikely event that we were allowed to work with the EMA as an outside third country, we would have to pay.

And if the UK has to have its own medicines agency, how much is it going to cost to set up and run?

Mistigri · 17/04/2017 20:50

carol you are being dishonest. Per the FT article that provoked today's press coverage, "David Davis says that Britain does not accept that the two agencies ... will have to move from London's Canary Wharf".

So either he doesn't understand that EU regulatory agencies will have to move post-brexit (unlikely: he's not that stupid) - or he is lying to you.

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Bearbehind · 17/04/2017 20:53

So either he doesn't understand that EU regulatory agencies will have to move post-brexit (unlikely: he's not that stupid)

Sadly I think he is just that stupid, only it's dressed up as arrogance.

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Cailleach1 · 17/04/2017 20:57

The EMA is practically self funded. The EMA will come with the ECJ. Otherwise, gov't will have to beef up on UK's own authorisation. For the 65million market.

It won't just be the institutions. The EMA have a camp of pharma hq's who will move to be by their side.

It was specifically mentioned on the letter from the Japanese gov't to the UK.

PattyPenguin · 17/04/2017 20:58

It's possible that Duffer Dave really does think the agencies can just keep their offices in London. You know, just outsourcing accommodation and HR to a third country. UK businesses do it with IT and contact centres, to India and so on. Why can't the EU?

Dannythechampion · 17/04/2017 20:58

Losing the EMA will also lose the UK valuable research as it will take time to set up our own regulators.

Its likely that lots of big pharma firms will move out altogether.