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Westminstenders: The wheels on bus start to fall off, start to fall off…

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RedToothBrush · 06/04/2017 21:42

The wheels on bus start to fall off, start to fall off…

Since Article 50 has been triggered – 8 days ago:

  1. A week after a terror attack in London, the government threatened to stop co-operation over security issues with the EU. This was quickly retracted as ‘not being a threat’. Except it was.

  2. The ‘Great’ Repeal Act White Paper was published. Its vague, lacks detail, does not have a draft bill and there is no plan for a public consultation over it. It proposes sweeping powers for the government without parliamentary scrutiny using Henry VIII powers.

  3. HMRC have said the new computer system planned for launch in 2019, won’t be able to cope with the additional work which leaving the Customs Union would produce. It would be five times the work load which sounds like a lot more red tape.

  4. Spain have said they would not oppose an Independent Scotland being in the EU.

  5. May’s article 50 letter did not mention Gibraltar and after the publication of the EU draft document on how the Brexit process would be handled, this looks like a massive error and oversight. One of the clauses was that any future arrangements with regard to Gibraltar had to be settled with Spain bi-laterally rather than by the EU and the UK’s agreement with the EU would not apply to Gibraltar, unless Spain agreed. This has been taken as an affront to Gibraltar’s sovereignty, although the document says nothing about sovereignty. Michael Howard, however, decided this was sufficient grounds to threaten our ally Spain with war.

    May has not condemned his comments, and laughed it off. Though she was happy to get worked up about the word ‘Easter’ a couple of days later.

    Of course, this situation was entirely predictable and was predicted yet this situation seems to have taken the government by surprise. Our reaction, in the context of everything else, has made the UK look like a basket case.

  6. The government’s plan to run talks on the UK’s settlement on leaving the EU in parallel with talks on the UK’s future relationship with the EU has been rejected by the EU. Instead we must do things in stages, with advancement to the next stage only possible after completing the last: Stage 1 – Exit, Stage 2 – Preliminary agreement on future relation, Stage 3 – Exit/Transition Deal, Stage 4 – As third country status enter a new deal.

    The effect of this also means that deals we currently have with counties like South Korea through the EU need to be revisited. There is no guarantee these countries will want to continue trading with us on the same terms, if they do not want to.

  7. The EU has set out its own red lines. Our deal 'must encompass safeguards against...fiscal, social & environmental dumping'. Our transition deal must not last longer than three years and individual sectors, like banking, should not get special treatment.

    Donald Tusk has said we don’t need a punishment deal as we are doing a good job of shooting ourselves in the foot, whilst Guy Verhofstadt said Brexit is Brexit is a 'catfight in Conservative party that got out of hand” and hoped future generations would reverse it.

  8. May has admitted that we might well have no deal in place by the time we leave the EU. Until now we have been told we would have a deal in two years. She has also admitted an extension of free movement of people beyond Brexit.

  9. The Brexit Select Committee published their report which warned about the dangers of exit without any deal, as well as talking about problems relating to the ‘Great’ Repeal Act, Gibraltar and NI. This is sensible and you’d think uncontroversial, but the Brexiteers threw the toys out of their pram saying it was too pessimistic. The government’s job is, of course, to plan for problems no matter how unlikely – such as disasters – and to hope that never happens. It seems that these Brexiteers don’t want to act responsibility or do their job.

  10. Questions at the WTO have been asked about how Brexit will affect them. Interest in the subject came initially from Indonesia about Tariff Rate Quotas, but other parties who were watching closely were Argentina, China, Russia and the United States.

  11. Phillip Hammond has openly said that there are a number of Tory MPs who want us to not make any agreement with the EU and to crash out in a chaotic exit.

  12. Polling has suggested that people want Brexit to be quick and cheap. Not only that, but the word ‘Brexit’ has started to poll badly. Instead the Brexit department are advising officials to use the phrase “new partnership with Europe”. Lynton Crosby, the mastermind behind 2015’s Conservative victory has also warned that the Tories would probably lose 30 seats they gained from the LDs at an early election.

    Of course, even a 2020 election might prove challenging with a transition deal still likely to be unresolved as Brexit drags on. Government strategy is, apparently, to hope that Remainer's anger will have dissolved by 2020.

    Eight days in, and the Brexit Bus looks like it strayed into 1980's Toxeth and got torched, its wheels nicked, and graffitied with obscenities over its £350million pledge.
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Badders123 · 08/04/2017 12:35

My relatives only stayed for a year.
Their dream
But quite common I understand?

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EmilyAlice · 08/04/2017 12:43

Yes very common I think. It is normally said that the "dream" doesn't last longer than four years. We have been in France eleven years and I would say the main reasons for returning are death of a partner, missing grandchildren and failing to make a business work. Pretty much everyone who has stayed is involved in their local community, speaks French (though often one partner more than the other) and has French as well as Brit friends As this is Normandy we are mostly keen gardeners. 😊

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Peregrina · 08/04/2017 12:45

Reports that Jaeger is going into Administration. Remind me how the Pound was overvalued, and its decline in value due to Brexit would be good for the country? It does seem that Edinburgh Woollen Mill might buy it, and turn it into an on-line brand. In Oxford there were both shops, but I imagine that there would only be room for one in future.

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prettybird · 08/04/2017 12:48

Edinburgh Woollen Mill and Jaeger are two totally different shops with, I would've thought, a totally different target clientele Confused

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prettybird · 08/04/2017 12:51

Looks like the French emigrants expats and the Spanish emigrants expats have different experiences - and the Spanish ones more likely to exploit "our" NHS Grin

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Peregrina · 08/04/2017 12:57

With regard to Jaeger, I am only going on what the report said. Both appeal to a better off demographic than your Primarks and New Looks.
Next is apparently grumbling, but I have no sympathy there, because they encouraged a Leave vote. If this is what they wanted, it's up to them to make the best of it.

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EmilyAlice · 08/04/2017 13:03

I am not sure prettybird. My son lives and works in Spain in an ordinary Spanish town away from the coast and he says the health service is good and a lot of people working in the hospitals speak good English (he speaks fluent Spanish though). Again I suspect that the people who stay long-term will be happily using the Spanish health system but the ones there short-term may still come back for the NHS. It can't be for financial reasons for pensioners because they will get fully paid cover. It might be that some people live between the two countries and stay tax and health resident in the UK.
If you watch rubbishy programmes about Brits needing hospital treatment in Spain then there do seem to be quite a few permanent residents as well as drunken fuckwits on holiday.

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Badders123 · 08/04/2017 13:09

Peregrina...I closed my next account after the Eu ref!
I also boycott lots of companies and shops due the way they treat their staff and workers.
Dh thinks I'm mad, and I guess I know they don't care but i care and voting with your feet is the only thing I feel I can do ATM

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squoosh · 08/04/2017 13:15

Next is apparently grumbling, but I have no sympathy there, because they encouraged a Leave vote.

I didn't know that! Worst clothes chain store on the high street though. The Wetherspoon's of the clothes world if you will.

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HashiAsLarry · 08/04/2017 15:09

Gutted about next. Missed that in the ref. I'd have not bothered giving them my recent boobie business if I'd realised. Blush

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HPFA · 08/04/2017 15:32

A brilliant thread here

twitter.com/TPA52/status/847848909468835840

I think my favourite is the GCSE Biology students ready to become cardiac surgeons after doing their dissections.

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EmilyAlice · 08/04/2017 15:44

Thanks HPFA. Love it. 😀

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woman12345 · 08/04/2017 15:55

HPFA this should be compulsory reading as of now! Brilliant. Grin
@dodd_bob Mar 31
make miles smaller, this will make the country bigger and move us further from Europe

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PattyPenguin · 08/04/2017 16:07

HPFA that is truly marvellous.

I am particularly supportive of the "fleet of 36-cannon galleons", as I have family members with many of the relevant skills.

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RedToothBrush · 08/04/2017 17:16

Kate Hoey‏ @KateHoeyMP
Have we got absolute proof it was the Syrian government who carried out the chemical attack ? #just asking

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GreenPeppers · 08/04/2017 17:18

I think the difference between those who use the loca, NHS and those who want to go back to the UK to see a GO is mainly down to how able they are to get integrated to the country.
If you look at how people in Spain etc.. do things, look at it in a very critical way, 'they don't things like us therefore it's not good', then they are more likely to go back to what they are confortable with (Uk system) rather than trying the system in Spain. Esp for health that is a sensitive subject.
Moving abroad isn't always an easy thing to do.

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MangoSplit · 08/04/2017 17:34

Place marking

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EmilyAlice · 08/04/2017 17:57

Well maybe GreenPeppers but when we go to the Costas (from our home in France) we feel as if we are in England. English or English-speaking doctors and dentists, Iceland, Specsavers, English bars and restaurants everywhere. Same for Scandinavians.

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GreenPeppers · 08/04/2017 19:46

Costas? As in the coast in Spanish?

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thecatfromjapan · 08/04/2017 19:55

Kate Hoey. There is someone I would love to see losing her seat. Angry

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Peregrina · 08/04/2017 20:01

I thought Kate Hoey was planning to stand down at the next election anyway? Isn't she er, getting on a bit?

Like Ken Clarke, who I would love to see doing a final stint as PM, before going out in a blaze of glory as a Politician who had principles and stuck to them. (Fat chance. Will wishing that it will happen make it happen, as I am assured that hoping for the best with Brexit will make it a success?)

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thecatfromjapan · 08/04/2017 20:05

Is she, Peregrina? I am so, so glad to hear that. I was thinking of handing in my Labour Party membership, so that I could campaign against her. Now I won't have to!

Your daydream of Ken Clarke leading the Conservatives (or even a co-alition) back to sanity has made me smile. No. I don't think it's likely. The whole situation remains far too crazy.

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Peregrina · 08/04/2017 20:12

I have just looked Kate Hoey up and she is younger than I thought, being a mere stripling of 70! So that may be wishful thinking on my behalf. Deselection it needs to be.

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twofingerstoEverything · 08/04/2017 20:41

That's brilliant HPFA...

Replace the NHS with coach trips to Lourdes. Grin

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HPFA · 08/04/2017 20:43

Kate Hoey is pro hunting, pro grammar schools and pro Brexit. Why doesn't she just join UKIP and be done with it?

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