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DS1 got to vote in the Indyref as a 17 yr old, I wouldn't call him idealistic in any shape or form. It was good in the way that young people really got engaged in the whole thing. Lots of ex pat migrant friends couldn't vote, but I found it hard to have too much sympathy - they weren't living in / paying into the country or be directly affected by the outcome, so c'est la vie.

Most of the Islay malts taste like a mix of creosote and TCP to me, especially Laphroaig (I can manage the northern ones). I am a bit of heathen when it comes to spirits though, I put orange squash into whiskey (yes, I have spelled it correctly).

You can get sweet Prosecco, which is confusingly labelled as Dry - you need Brut for a dry Prosecco.

"RailwayCuttings don't you think that is the most absurd thing? That your own people are denied a voice if living in England but anyone, from anywhere in the world living in Scotland gets to vote! It's stark raving bonkers IMO."

Rorty - It is bonkers and interestingly few people know of this. Journalists do not mention it either. That is why so many in Scotland voted to Remain, the EUs want to stay. In fact, before the Ref we saw smiling faces on TV, waving and shouting Remain and when the interviewer went around seeking comments they were mostly Poles, Baltics and southern European. I thought it odd at the time but did not know until recently that anyone can vote in Scotland on Scottish matters after living there for just 12 weeks.

Whisky & ginger used to be my drink. My most favourite is Johnnie Walker's GREEN Label. Yes, it is a blend of various malts but quite the best I've come across. It was discontinued nearly 5 yrs ago but apparently is back in production, though I haven't seen it on supermarket shelves yet. I found that I had a stash of Green Label which I paid around £23 a bottle, but 2 years ago I was offered £80 a bottle. And I've seen it for over £100 in my local late night shop.

Lol at Nick Clegg demanding 'dramatically reduced immigration'.
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What a chump!!

Rather disgraceful to say a Scot living in England, even temporarily, has no say in what happens in their own country because they are not paying into the tax system. Surely you know that with the Barnett formula Scots living in Scotland have £1600 per head extra spent on them compared to people in England, and those Scots living in England are paying into those taxes.

I wonder why the Scottish parliament have opted out of collecting their own taxes? Maybe it's easier to blame Westminster for their own mismanagement.

Sorry, but I have little respect for NS and her machinations.

I can't bear the smell of whiskey after getting drunk on it and vomiting all night. Luckily this pub also sells Gin.

Semi. Isn't the whole list supposed to be a sarcastic dig at the brexiteers?

That is too funny Semi Not a brain cell between him and vacant Niki #myhandbagsnicerthanherleathertrousersbutpurleasedontlookatmylegscosIdontevenhavebrainsinthem.

Starting to think its the name.

I don't agree with Nick

railway you can buy Crabbies Green ginger on its own and mix your own.

It was a 'hold the govt to their promises over Brexit' sign Olympia.

Cleggs vacant, grinning mug 'endorsing' dramatically reduced immigration is a beaut though.
If only he looked at a passing bandwagon properly, before jumping right on board for a photo op...!!

Nicky Morgan's a chump too.

In fact, they're both glaekit, the pair of them

If you're living in a different country why should you have a say in a massive upheaval? Why should Scots that haven't lived in Scotland for 15 or 20 years because they can make shed loads of money working in the ME or USA or Nigeria have any say? What investment do they have in Scotland other than having been born and educated there? Not disgraceful at all to say they should have no say in what happens on a country that they have no intention of contributing to.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer

Hi
I'm fine thank you. ; & I'm all woman.💋 😀)
Just don't post much in here anymore, not sure why?
but I'll have a quick while I'm here.
You ok. ?

And since you want people not resident or vested in a country to vote on its future, would you have supported EU citizens resident in the UK being given a vote in the EU referendum given that it significantly impacted them?

How will the government be held to account if the great repeal bill gives them sweeping powers in the style of Henry VII? (Which it does). Serious question.

Count. And if they're a Scot living in another country for 12 months on a contract with every intention of returning to their country of birth?

No say in their own country? I seriously doubt anyone living 20 years in the USA would,have any interest in voting for what happens to Scotland. Why would they bother voting?

How can a Polish person living in Scotland for a few years to make (their equivalent) of shed loads of money but who want to return to Poland in the future have anything other than a selfish interest in voting in a country they won't be retiring in?

How many Scots out of the country on a temporary contract couldn't vote on Indyref? How many EU citizens living in the UK couldn't vote on Brexit?

Which vote, or lack of, has the biggest impact do you think Olympia?

I'd be far more fucked off as, say, a German or French person who has made a life in the UK and worried about whether I can stay in the UK than a Scot temporarily in England - and if they are only outwith Scotland for 12 months then why not stay on the electoral role and be eligible to vote?

Not sure that Poles (or other EU citizens) make shed loads of money in Scotland given living costs in some areas here, so bit of an assumption there.

And how about EU citizens married to Scots? Are they not allowed a voice if they are working, paying tax, bringing up a family?

Only people who were born and have a vested interest in a country should vote. This is the general rule throughout the world. Only NS would massage the figures to get the result she wants. All Scots are going to get an independence referendum every other year until she gets the answer she wants. Meanwhile the country can go to rack and ruin and the rest of the UK will pay for the privelage via additional taxes and be vilified in the process. If NS really wanted independence for Scotland she would give a vote to the whole of the UK and she would get an independent Scotland.

More than slightly peed off that NS would throw the Brexit negotiations to the wolves for her own selfish ends

Poles' married to Scots could do what other foreign nationals do and obtain citizenship.

Count if you want a vote in the country you have made your home you become a citizen surely?

eprints.lse.ac.uk/63345/1/democraticaudit.com-Scots%20living%20overseas%20or%20elsewhere%20in%20the%20UK%20should%20have%20been%20given%20the%20right%20to%20vote%20in%20the%20independ.pdf

Some 900,000 Scots were excluded from Indyref1 mostly due to being in England. OTOH over 600,000 rUK currently in Scotland got to vote. Could be argued they would have been majority No voters and so offset the excluded Scots who would also likely also be No due to their links outside Scotland. Still net 300,000 exclusion in favour of Yes.

There 150,000 EU nationals who were included and would have been more likely to be Yes. There inclusion was a departure from GE rules.

In total that gives a 450,000 skew in favour of Yes. Total votes cast on an 80%+ turnout were 3.6 million (2m No and 1.6m Yes). 2.5m No to 1.6m Yes would have been a result which reflected long term levels of support for Independence prior to the 2014 campaign and if normal election rules had been followed that would likely have been the result.

My there / theirs are all to pot sorry

Incidentally only 1.6 m in Scotland voted in favour of Remaining in the EU. On the above figures that gives over 2 million who either voted Brexit or didn't care. This is pretty much in line with the latest polling which indicates 60%+ support for TM's approach to Brexit.

My MiL is French and voted in the EU ref because she sorted out her citizenship years ago. According to Clegg his mother has never done this. I am slightly incredulous at his assertion

Howabout, of course you should be able to vote in the country where you have made your home. But do you need to go to the trouble and expense (£1000 or so) to make that a formality? What if you are German and can only hold dual citizenship with another EU country? That now rules out the UK post Brexit. Given a choice, how many Germans will choose the UK over Germany?

Why would 150,000 EU nationals be in favour of voting for Scottish independence last time? Where is your data for that conclusion?

Why should my MIL who left Scotland in 1963 and has no intention of returning, have a say in Scotlands future?

And, to follow on from so many other threads on MN, you can't inlclude the intention of those that didn't vote in Brexit, so neither can you draw any conclusions from those who didn't vote in Indyref (although the usual view is that they accept the status quo).

Fine thanks surfer

Had a lovely evening out and i am just finishing the night with a lager

Which i should have left in the fridge

Count as Scotland is part of the UK even if you have left Scotland you have not left the country. However I would accept the same 15 year rule which applies to UK nationals living overseas.

If Germans living in the UK would rather be German / EU than UK then that is their choice but rather illustrates why a decision on the UK's future should not have included them. (worth researching German rules - until very recently "ethnic" Germans overseas had more rights than some with citizenship in Germany).

Agreed it is not a given that EU Nationals would be pro-Independence but they do have a looser concept of the UK as a country and what effect Scotland leaving would have, especially if they are assuming the EU is all encompassing. Post Brexit there is a good chance those who stay and have their UK residency rights protected will see things differently.