Westminstenders: And so it begins

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Promises made that can not be kept.

We have already fallen at the first stumbling block: the desire for parallel talks on exit and future relationship that May wanted has been rejected. Not that this is a surprise seeing as we were told this.

This isn't two years of negotiations for a good deal. Forget any suggestions that it is. It's two years of damage limitation and domestic pr.

For both the UK and EU.

I do believe that May's attitude - which seemed to be more friendly in her speech and letter yesterday - has burnt all our bridges.

This talk of the world needing the EU's 'liberal democracy' isn't aimed at the EU though. Her use of the words that produced uproar in the HoC yesterday was deliberate. Why use it? It was always going to produce a reaction.

When May says she will have a consensus at home to achieve this goal one of two things must happen: to prove just how much we need the EU to make a political reversal possible at the expense of her head or to vilify the EU to a point that Remainers suddenly change their mind.

To get a good deal for the UK she can not satisfy her hard line Brexiteers. It is impossible purely because to do otherwise is like breaking the laws of physics. Trade is done mostly with who you are closest too. This is the inescapable truth. We are leaving the EU but not Europe as keeps being pointed out.

If we want to trade we have to accept EU regulations. If we do not, we do not trade. Rules we can now no longer influence by must obey.

We can not reduce immigration. We have had control of non-Eu immigration and that is not going down due to skills shortages. To combat this schools are getting less money.

In terms of sovereignty and British parliament we just gave that away. The 'Great' Repeal Act is a power grab by the executive. It seems to give the powers of the monarch to Mrs May and take them away from parliamentary scrutiny. At the same time we are forced to become beholden to Trump's America. A man who screws people for a living and has not a shred of honour.

Using security as our bargaining chip misses the obvious. If we do not cooperate we endanger Brits abroad and ourselves domestically. Are we really prepared to stop?

The opportunities of Brexit Britain are bleak. This will be normalised.

Good luck folks. We are gonna need it.

www.politico.eu/article/brexit-theresa-may-battle-of-britain-truly-begins-article-50-eu-negotiation/
May’s Battle of Britain truly begins

Key para:

Faced with evidence from focus groups that the word “Brexit” has started to poll badly, officials are being told to use the much softer “new partnership with Europe,” according to the official “Brexit Narrative” guidebook produced by David Davis’ department and distributed throughout government.

Keep using the word Brexit folks...

It's it just beyond belief that everything is still so knee jerk.

TM threatens to walk out with no deal if necessary- its proven that will backfire so she tries a different tact in the A50 letter; security.

That has also backfired and requires back tracking.

The incompetence would be laughable if it weren't so serious.

Dominic Rabb is so full of sh*t. On Daily Politics yesterday.

"The time frame is tight (for an agreement) because the EU has imposed that timeframe." Pathetic and dishonest.

Neil (for once) said it wasn't imposed because everyone in the EU voted for it, including British gov't. Even a British person wrote it. Rabb just says that it wasn't a Conservative gov't.

If we didn't all just a little bit familiar with that by now, Rabb would have got away with his bullsh*t. These buckos have pretended the UK gov't weren't an equal partner for so long. While they create powers for themselves to bypass parliament to legislate.

Rabb also saying that threat was not a threat. Just simply in there. So what the hell was it doing in the letter to the EU taking about future trade? If security is bilateral with other countries, why was it in there then? He can try and pretend, like with the timeframe being 'imposed' on the UK when the UK gov't was a part of it's creation.

if we didn't, obviously if we weren't.

But Raab's not making it easy for May and Davis is he? I wonder who Raab, Paterson, Howarth et al have lined up to replace her with.

And meanwhile the Tories openly say there is no opposition due to the infliction of Corbyn

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/03/stench-decay-and-failure-coming-labour-party-now-overwhelming%3Famp

As someone who just quit the party for me the article is spot on. Shame on you Corbyn. Our country deserves so much better you buffoon

Labour funding by UKIP anyone?

Lammy openly referred to it during his speech on the Unite for Europe rally. He referred to Labour MPs adopting UKIP stances. This is lovely moderate pacific David Lammy.

Putin maybe. Ukip I can't see

To be honest I think this has been entirely of their own making. No outside influence required. Internal nut jobs took over

I hope he takes what he has done to his grave. However he is another dim man appointed above his intelligence and principle levels. Shocking

And follow the money with Hoey.
skwawkbox.org/2017/02/08/labour-leave-18-5k-to-ukip-donation-not-cost-sharing/

woman I think that was a policy choice by the nut jobs trying to attract the Woking classes (picture corbyn patting them.on the head )

That said the far lefts views really are close to UKIP in some areas. Just different 'reasoning'

Ooh woman you are good. I take it all back. And is there a link to the DUP too

All lines going back to NI?

Thanks poorboy although mathanxiety is great on NI funding.
Watch out for Steve Baker High Wycombe tory and Constitutional Research Council.
www.irishnews.com/news/2017/02/25/news/dup-transferred-9-000-from-brexit-donation-to-party-funds-944576/

But I smell something really odd in Labour funding and support for Brexit. The SWP may be trotskyites, but they love money, that's why believers have to sign up to 10% of their income funding the glorious cause.

To be clear, Hoey is not in the SWP (LOL) Unless it's a new fox hunty chapter.

Draft guidelines on negotiating strategy published within the 48 hours of invoking A50, as promised by Tusk. Also following through on promise to be open.

http://www.politico.eu/article/european-councils-draft-guidelines-following-the-uks-article-50-notification-text-2/

No sector by sector access/approach to the Single Market. Who'd have thunk?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/30/uk-takes-back-right-deport-britain-repeals-powers-eu/

That's it, the erosion of human rights has already started

Mr Davis told MPs that the controversial EU Charter of Fundamental Rights will be dropped on the day Britain leaves Europe.

And more legal battle going ahead
^It came as Gina Miller, the financier who forced Mrs May through the Supreme Court to get parliamentary approval before she triggered Article 50, said she would consider fresh legal action to clarify whether the Government could legally enact the Great Repeal Bill.
Mrs Miller said she wants to stop the Prime Minster using so-called “Henry VIII powers” to tweak existing EU laws before they are passed into UK law without parliament being able to vote on the changes.^

I have to say, I cannot thank Gina Miller enough for her efforts to ensure that the whole thing is done according to the law/democratically.

Oh no, have the EU gone and eaten our cake now? Those bastards

Can we make Gina Miller president? I mean I know we don't have a president position but if we did she'd be awesome.

For those who don't understand what patriotism is, see Gina Miller. A woman standing up for her country against those determined to break it.

Nope Hoeys not in the SWP but may as well be in the DUP and seems to have long time links with Arelene Foster who's not squeaky clean herself

Seems ms hoey is more than a little enthusiastic about NI leaving. Shame NI isn't. Another one who really hasn't thought this mess through. Time to retire?

If May and her cronies think they can ditch the word Brexit, becuase it's beginning to have bad vibes, then they can think again. Johnson, Fox and Davis wanted Brexit and May threw in her lot with them, so Brexit it shall stay. They need the courage of their convictions.

I suppose the fact that it sounds uncannily like "breaks it" is going to loom ever larger in the public consciousness as the shit keeps hitting the fan, and that can't be good for votes.

Thanks for the new thread.

Ian Dunt on Brexit frog boiling and the reality of negotiations.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/03/31/week-in-review-a-cold-dose-of-reality-for-team-may

I love Gina Miller. I was considering sending her fan mail. Nobody does any more though.

Faisal Islam
European Council saying no talks on future relationship until post-German elex & only if sufficient progress, as judged by EU27 made on exit
... and it is the very design of Article 50 that the departing country will have to say: ok, to the EU27 interpretation of Article 50
This is precisely why May, correctly, tried to get prenegotiations, and also precisely why EU said "no negotiations without notification"
And this is also precisely why the PM will accept the formulation that Tusk has come up with - no other choice, apart from walkout...
Tusk, as clever diplomat though, has included something that helps UK Gov claim will get nearly what it asked for 'conditional parallelism'
Someone at Ukrep should suggest taking EU27 to court over its interpretation of A50 "with reference to future" - that'd be the ECJ!
all this shows irony that in the pursuit of 'taking back control' we have to lose control of negotiations - that's the design of Article 50

All of this known before. It's going well isn't it? Day two of shit hitting the fan.

Loving the chance that we might need an ECJ ruling... Can't see government going for that somehow even if it was best thing for UK. Politically I'm not sure May could do it. Ironically, a ruling in UK's favour politically good for UK, a ruling against politically bad for EU!