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Brexit

I am European

125 replies

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2017 12:20

Its 1:20pm in Brussels.

I AM EUROPEAN.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 29/03/2017 17:07

I think its quite easy to live in a country and not have any strong opinions/feelings about nationalism or "belonging". If people enjoy flying flags from their bedroom window good for them. Others aren't bothered and can go about their business without being consumed by patriotism.

HashiAsLarry · 29/03/2017 17:07

Why do you continue to live in country you abhor?
Why didn't all the eurosceptics leave 40 years ago?

alltouchedout · 29/03/2017 17:07

Quite frankly I feel sorry for British people who can't bring themselves for whatever reason to really back Britain

Yeah, of course sympathy is what you feel. Of course it is Hmm.

Backing Britain does not mean backing Brexit.

Headfullofdreams · 29/03/2017 17:18

I would rather be French/ German or any EU nationality other than British today.

Brexshit is embarrassing and I do not want to be associated with anything to do with it and the UKIP government, disguised as conservatives, running this shit show.

Nicotina · 29/03/2017 17:20

I love the UK but some people have decided to strip me of my EU citizenship. I will still live here because I was born here. But not for the first time I thank God for my Irish mammy.

CardinalSin · 29/03/2017 17:27

I wonder how many of these Brexiters will be claiming EU passports if the EU manages to organise that against our xenophobic government?

CutiePatootie1 · 29/03/2017 17:29

Why would I want an EU passport?

CutiePatootie1 · 29/03/2017 17:31

The short term pain is worth the long term gain. It's about time that we unraveled all the crap that has been caused by the Maastricht Treaty.

20nil · 29/03/2017 17:35

I am European and a citizen of the EU!

Footle · 29/03/2017 17:37

I'm European. I hate what's happening.

CardinalSin · 29/03/2017 17:41

May you would be surprised by how many hypocrites there are on the leave side Cutie, but I suspect a few of us won't be.

You still don't actually suggest exactly what this "long term gain" is supposed to amount to...

GreenPeppers · 29/03/2017 17:46

I think it's all too easy to make word game on what Europe is and what being European is.

I am European in the sense that the EU has a meaning to me and I feel partnof that big group. I feel like France, Germany (and before Brexit the uk too) were all my countries and I belong to all of them. That also meant that where're I was in Europe, i was never an immigrant.
It also means that for me, I have no patriotic feelings for the country I was born in. My patriotic feelings are toward the EU (rather than Europe to avoid misunderstanding)

Now I am very clear that I do not belong to the UK. That's what I have been told. I am a foreigner, an immigrant bla-bla-bla.
So I am still European, always will be. But this doesn't include the UK anymore.

A shame TBH.

GreenPeppers · 29/03/2017 17:49

Tbh I also feel for the British citizens who will have to feel the long term pain fo being out the EU.

I just hope that history isn't going to repeat itself and it won't last centuries
how rupture with mainland Europe caused Britain to falter for centuries

CutiePatootie1 · 29/03/2017 17:51

Cardinalsin... read what the Maastricht Treaty took away from us and you'll see a glimmer of what we'll get back in the long term.

froomeonthebroom · 29/03/2017 17:53

I am British and European. And sad.

whatwouldrondo · 29/03/2017 17:58

Cutie *Quite frankly I feel sorry for British people who can't bring themselves for whatever reason to really back Britain. I will never understand it.

The people that are also ashamed to be British, not just because of Brexit, but because of possible political issues in the past. Why do you continue to live in country you abhor?*

Why do you think that being ashamed of the things that Britain did in its past is aligned with not backing Britain? I have been out in the world backing Britain in the sense of representing it and facilitating trade and cultural ties for the best part of twenty years but wherever you represent Britain it really is important that you do acknowledge what Britain did in the past and live down the stereotype of the Brits as an arrogant entitled race. How can you not abhor the division of countries that resulted in millions of deaths, the economic exploitation, the torture and imprisonment, the restrictions on human rights, the destruction of cultural heritage. Whatever we abhor in terms of modern "British values" we surely have to abhor in our own past especially when people in other countries have long memories. If you think they don't then clearly you have not done business with the rest of the world.

I did back the Britain we had become and did my best to represent it. However for me Brexit is, and is certainly seen by the rest of the world, as a manifestation of illusions of superiority, those values of arrogance and entitlement, not to mention bureaucratic and government incompetence. I encounter these attitudes every single working day. My feelings of being British have been undermined but my feelings of being European have actually been strengthened because it increasingly falls to Europe to stand up for those values I thought Britain stood for.

It is not about geography, the channel may only be 13 miles geographically but in terms of my feelings and identity it widens by the day.

CardinalSin · 29/03/2017 18:07

Please Cutie, illuminate me!

Melassa · 29/03/2017 18:09

Agree totally Ron, you said it much better than I could.

CutiePatootie1 · 29/03/2017 18:12

Don't get me started on the Lisbon treaty. Brexit supporters are sick of this slow and painful erosion of democracy. 3 pillars my arse!

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 29/03/2017 18:14

I back britain

But i dont back brexit

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 29/03/2017 18:15

Why do you continue to live in country you abhor?

I am allowed to be annoyed with MY country

I am allowed to hate parts of MY country

I am allowed to pick and choose what to love in MY country

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 29/03/2017 18:16

Anyone has a problem with that

They can fucking do one

herethereandeverywhere · 29/03/2017 18:19

Ok, as this is yet another thread where Brexiters don't answer any questions, I've done a bit of googling and had a read on Wikipedia re: Maastricht:

  1. It brought in union for the Euro (which the UK opted out of).
  1. It introduced the '3 pillars' concept (which to be honest is a very abstract concept).
Wikipedia says this: "The creation of the pillar system was the result of the desire by many member states to extend the European Economic Community to the areas of foreign policy, military, criminal justice, and judicial cooperation. This desire was set off against the misgivings of other member states, notably the United Kingdom, over adding areas which they considered to be too sensitive to be managed by the supra-national mechanisms of the European Economic Community. The agreed compromise was that instead of renaming the European Economic Community as the European Union, the treaty would establish a legally separate European Union comprising the renamed European Economic Community, and the inter-governmental policy areas of foreign policy, military, criminal justice, judicial cooperation. The structure greatly limited the powers of the European Commission, the European Parliament and the European Court of Justice to influence the new intergovernmental policy areas, which were to be contained with the second and third pillars: foreign policy and military matters (the CFSP pillar) and criminal justice and cooperation in civil matters (the JHA pillar)." If you read carefully, you will note how the UK used its power and influence to rein in the strongly pro-EU/ever closer union excesses of other countries.

What exactly was your beef with the 3 pillars cutie?

Jazzywazzydodah · 29/03/2017 18:20

FFS!Hmm

Jazzywazzydodah · 29/03/2017 18:26

I am allowed to pick and choose what to love in MY country

Exactly this seesaw histrionics why I can't take this shit seriously

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