I am European

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Its 1:20pm in Brussels.

I AM EUROPEAN.

Better off out. English/British and proud.

Fed up with self-loathing English/British liberals that respect and support others' right to self-determination but deny their own.

Petals.

It's alright "userblahblahblah". We're not self loathing - it's you we loathe!

I am European by design of Geography, not by a pact made with Brussels in the 70's. Therefore I will remain European after we Brexit.

Where do you get the self loathing bit from user. Not in the slightest bit the case. And for the 50 billionth time on these boards Brexit is not a left/right/liberal issue. (See Ken Clarke, John Major, Frank Fields blah blah). Sooooooo fucking bored with these stupid comments.

Scottish, British, European. But not for much longer. I'm applying for a German passport and staging my own Brexit while waiting to see what happens in Scotland. Hell mend ye, Brexiters.

I presume useretcetc will therefore be fully supportive of Scotland's right to self-determination, sooner rather than later.

This thread has moved on but to make a factual point:

FlaviaAnsell you say that only being able to take a limited amount of currency on holiday in the 1970s was nothing to do with the EU.

That is factually incorrect. The free movement of currency was introduced through EU legislation in 1994.

In the 70s UK exchange control effectively stopped the majority of UK citizens buying properties abroad, even companies had to give reasons to the bank of England why they wanted to purchase foreign currency.

elastamum Yup, science research measurably more effective as s resulting of all the EU networks, not just funding and teams but standards and regulations etc etc #nonscientistunderstandingthebleedingobviousBenefitsoftheEUtosciencesplaining

TM's statement in full...

I'm definitely European - would never refer to myself as English.

Cardinal that is just perfect!

Cute much self delusion here.

I'm afraid there is no such thing as 'European'. One is a citizen of a particular state - there is no EU State.

If you have a passport, look at it. It states a nationality.

Mine says UK & NI. It has at the top 'European Union'- but not for much longer.

I wish it said 'Cornish' but I have to accept at present UK & NI.

user1+1=5 No such delusion here, when I go off into the world I am definitely European first, British second, if they care at all about the latter. Who sees your passport apart from immigration officers? And if I go to the US half the time they think you are Australian.

Do you, I wonder, distinguish between Korean (let alone South and North) Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laoatian, Malaysian, Singaporean?

I'm in my 40's and so grew up in the 1970's - it was no utopia, it was pretty shit. Schools didn't have any money, job market was crap.

Give me the last 2 decades any day!

My name is Woodlander, I am British (English) - and a European.

Cardinal, where did you find that? Love it.

I am European. A Europhile. Have lived in Europe. But voted to leave the EU. Entirely different thing.

I heard an interesting programme the other day on this topic. How those who are rich enough (not rich but rich enough) and mobile enough have the luxury of feeling like citizens of the world. Those who are 'rooted' in their current location, usually through being poorer, are far more affected by change in their area because they cannot escape from it.

But the wealthier or liberal left just shouted 'racist' at them from their nice leafy boroughs instead of listening to them. As a consequence, many of these 'citizens of the world' now in turn find themselves rooted somewhere they don't want to be: heading out of the EU.

Of course you're bloody European - you were European yesterday, are European today and will be European tomorrow! The UK is on the continent of Europe - in case you didn't realise, Brexit will not result in the island being hauled off to the middle of the Atlantic you know*

^ This.

I'm English, British and proud to be so. My family goes back many, many generations, why would I not be proud of my country?

The English half of my family goes back many many generations too, I too used to be proud of my British roots, alongside that of my other nationality. Now I'm just embarrassed. The small-mindedness, pettiness, xenophobia and the celebration of ignorance has made me ashamed. So much hatred has been unleashed, it really is quite vile.

The small-mindedness, pettiness, xenophobia and the celebration of ignorance has made me ashamed. So much hatred has been unleashed, it really is quite vile.

The name calling and pettiness it has unleashed on both 'sides' is quite vile.

I feel European. My passport has a nationality, but I have not lived in my birth country for over 20 years. I have as an adult always studied and worked in international environments and I mix with people from similar background. I like Britain and the British, but less so now and we are moving this summer as our jobs are moving out of the UK due to Brexit. I am sorry to leave London, but also relieved as I am not liking what this country is turning into and want to watch from afar. I think Britain is becoming a laughing stock.

All these self-defined Europeans. Much more interesting and revealing is what you consider to be non-European.

"European" and "European Union citizen" are two very different things.

Remainers, I think, are using European in its sense of a citizen of the EU, whereas leavers want to confine it to a political or geographical term. In the latter case, it's not always clear whether they mean European in the geo-political sense (which I think most people would take to exclude countries like Russia, Turkey and Ukraine) or in the geographical sense (ie including the European bits of Russia and Turkey).

NickL - Off the top of my head, I would take non-European ideals to include authoritarianism, lack of tolerance and a rejection of the four pillars of the EU.

Btw, I am not a "self-defined" European as you sneeringly put it - I have dual nationality with another EU country, something that I have been grateful for every single day since June 24th.

prettybird

Yes, I support the right to a referendum however the Scots have had their say. If there is to be another, then let the English have THEIR say.

The English are perfectly entitled to ask for a referendum for their own independence