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Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.

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RedToothBrush · 15/03/2017 12:03

Its time for the suicide. The note will say simply, "The EU made us do it".

David Davies, says that despite May’s assertion that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, that actually we don’t know this as he hasn’t got round to quantifying the impact of no deal.

He still has no answers for anything apart from “I dunno” and “I’ll do it later”. I can’t wait for when the dog ate my homework excuse.

After 9 months. That’s how far we’ve got. Brexit negotiation skills will have 18 months (not 2 years as it’ll need to be ratified). We are still hiring people for the Brexit department. What about all these EU agencies that the UK will have to replicate and hire and train up in 2 years time?

I’m still waiting for Davies to tell me what all these potential benefits he keeps going on about are too. Benefits for who exactly? Ah yes we know the answer to this one too, even if its not being said. Its political elites and elites with lots of money who can consolidate power and enslave the population through debt and desperation. Goodie. Just what I’ve always wanted. As long as I can wave my Union Jack. Oh. Shit. Bugger.

Nicola Sturgeon, has been doing a good job of showing Brexiteers exactly what they look like to Remainers by holding up the mirror of irony to the Vampires of the 19th Century State. The sight of them tripping over themselves saying its irrational to hold a ‘blind vote’ and that the economic argument is flawed is hilarious. If you are not British.

Hammond has been forced to u-turn on NIC budget announcement as it was not in the spirit of the manifesto. What happened to the manifesto pledge to the protect interests in the Single Market. Lets be honest, the New Tory Manifesto read simply: “We’ll wing it and see what we can get away with”. I wonder how many people would vote for that.

Its Brexit at all costs. No matter what. We must keep the foreigners out. Even though Davis hasn’t done an assessment on the financial impact of migration. Just think about that for a second. Actually don’t because you might actually want to shoot yourself in the head.

At best the government are still relying on Game Theory as a basis for their negotiations and the EU are already going, “Er we don’t think so”.

Perhaps this is the intention of May’s tour to build consensus. She’s handing out guns and bullets to anyone who displays rational thought, to blow their own brains out.

May’s weakness is her manner and her chip on her shoulder for the law. Her own party are not immune to it. She seems to think trade deals are not done based on goodwill. May’s weakness is Britain’s folly.

Pass the blindfolds round, and get on your knees and await our own execution by our own hands.

Bang.

RIP The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. I will remember you with nostalgic fondness but equally with bitterness and shame. Our finest hours are long since passed (and were tainted with the excesses of exploitation anyway) and we must accept this as part of the process of ‘accepting Brexit’.

Now its time for the empty hand to start being shown and the blame game to begin in earnest. The politics of hate have only just begun and the divorce has not started yet. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are the kids we might not get custody of.

We’ll be blacking up again, running around groping women like Benny Hill and pushing people back into the closet as we hit the off switch before you know it. As well as having nice shiny new ID cards we’ll have to pay for the privilege of owning and carrying at all times, to prove we aren’t nasty illegal immigrants or those equally nasty legal ones clogging up our NHS (by working for it).

Don’t worry though. Uncle Donny will save us. If he doesn’t die suddenly after eating a bowl of Russia soup or have a fatal heart attack after accidentally falling out of a tenth story window.

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woman12345 · 18/03/2017 18:04

No, big choc, but did some mum dancing. Grin We do need a westminstenders placard though.

I 'weaponised' my middle aged mumdom. Saw some anarchist boys with their daft balaclavas, joined them ( to watch for any malarkey) they were so shocked and they behaved. Can't say that was down to me, but a mum in your midst changes the dynamic a bit. Grin

LurkingHusband · 18/03/2017 18:40

Gordon Brown -

can fuck right off.

prettybird · 18/03/2017 18:50

Don't disagree with you LurkingHusband Grin

Why didn't he do the things he suggests when. He. Was. In. A. Position. To. Do. So. HmmAngry^^ (either and both as Chancellor and/or PM)

Of course the Bank of England is not just the Bank of England - it is the Bank of all the constituent nations of the UK - only numpties think it just belongs to England but tell that to some of the Unionists during the last Indyref campaign Confused

And why didn't he implement a more federalist structure when he was actually someone who actually mattered rather than just Mr Ordinary of Fife?

He gets far too much airtime nearly as bad as Farage Wink

LurkingHusband · 18/03/2017 18:59

Meanwhile, Michael Gove is praising immigration (or is it migration ?) for elevating London school performances.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39285039

ElenaGreco123 · 18/03/2017 19:03

I am sorry I missed out on the demo, but as a public-spirited woman I checked out the availability of Ikea meatballs. They are still fab.

Badders123 · 18/03/2017 19:04

My placard is sorted:

#keepikeameatballstarifffree

HashiAsLarry · 18/03/2017 19:13

badders Grin
Couldn't make it today but will be there next week.

woman12345 · 18/03/2017 19:22

#keepikeameatballstarifffree
perfect

and

Ikeameatballs of the world unite you have nothing to lose but your gravy?

Is that too long?

Peregrina · 18/03/2017 20:58

The Guardian revisits Smethwick to find out their views about Brexit now.

Sadly, I can't see much of what they hope Brexit will bring them actually happening. E.g. we would like to go to back to how we were and have our farms back. Or 'we can trade with the rest of the world'. Well, the way May is carrying on, we can, because we do already, but it will come at a cost. I don't envisage May and the rightwing headbangers in her party putting money into Smethwick any time in the near future.

woman12345 · 18/03/2017 21:33

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/secret-tape-reveals-momentum-plot-to-link-with-unite-seize-control-of-labour

A hard-left plot by supporters of Jeremy Corbyn to seize permanent control of the Labour party and consolidate their power by formally joining forces with the super-union Unite can be revealed by the Observer

Tory party has been taken over by 'entry ists' and same with Labour. I have no idea what the solution is.

For all the brexiteeers talk of the EU being like the USSR, a soviet style government seems to be exactly where we are going, with MPs as delegates and leaders chosen by the paymasters.

Without all the lovely free heating, workers restaurants and women's rights of the USSR

BigChocFrenzy · 18/03/2017 21:48

Matthew Parrish in the Times today writes that those who want to combat the takeover by the hard Tory right, are increasingly having to sidestep Parliament - because the right have frozen them out from influence there.
Hence Osbourne taking the editorship

"Ex-chancellor’s new job is an important launchpad for him and
a reflection of how parliament has been emasculated.

Parliament has all but withdrawn from active politics.
Is it any surprise that active politicians are withdrawing from parliament?
George Osborne is not leaving but he’s stepping back."

"I think he’s right to worry what the hell’s going on with our country:

worried for London as the biggest engine of our economy and of our cultural life too;
worried for liberalism in the Conservative Party;
worried for the endangered reputation of the free market in a metropolis that depends upon the capitalism it so often, and with reason, distrusts.

He’s been sacked from the government, can’t say all he thinks in the chamber — and he’s got something serious to say.
What’s he supposed to do?"

"He sees, as do I,
a party paralysed in the headlights of a dangerous surge of reckless populism and in thrall to its own right wing.

The Lords have been brought to heel.
In the Commons, all doubt, let alone dissent, is cut down at the knees by a party management whose instincts are retaliatory.
Whips treat scepticism as insubordination.

The prime minister calls any questioning of the argument that narrowly lost a referendum “subverting democracy”.

And those who lead opinion either from within the Conservative Party or through its right-wing media claque wave “the people have spoken” like a truncheon."

" So for me this Evening Standard job is good news, but a melancholy indication too that the bullring is no longer at the Palace of Westminster.

The Commons is moribund, except to deliver our prime minister into the secure custody of the right.

It is therefore the most grotesque of ironies that the former chancellor is finding it necessary, without leaving parliament or the political party to which he and I belong, to look beyond party and parliament if he is to stay involved in the democratic process.

It speaks of the strangely frightened state of the Conservative Party, and the uselessness of the opposition.

So if the action is not to be in parliament then it must move outside.
George Osborne may be the first big player, but he will not be the last, to recognise that.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/exiled-osborne-can-lead-fight-with-the-right-rrjtck697

BigChocFrenzy · 18/03/2017 21:59

I see woman has just posted about the hard left taking over Labour, with the Guardian having Jon Lansmann on tale revealing his masterplan.

So the UK Government and Official Opposition have been taken over by their extremist wingnuts.

No wonder neither side has any plan for Brexit: each is too busy with their internal War for Purity

The final battle between the 2 extremes won't be pretty, especially if Brexit goes badly.

woman12345 · 18/03/2017 22:11

Sad, true and chilling, bigchoc:
^In the Commons, all doubt, let alone dissent, is cut down at the knees by a party management whose instincts are retaliatory.
Whips treat scepticism as insubordination^

If party managers and their paymasters operate like this, it seems like a vicious circle, the slide to extremes in the parties' politics.

And NS is being pulled into this extremism too. Neither she nor Alec Salmond ever really wanted to go for even the first independence ref, but with May's intransigence, she has no option now.

It makes lovely Gordon Brown's plea for sanity, federalism and co operation all the more plaintive.

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Peregrina · 18/03/2017 23:12

BigChoc's posting is extremely worrying, but I think that's what we thought might have been happening. My first thought was the Theresa May will need to watch her back - she will be discarded if she doesn't deliver for the hard right. I don't think she realises how much of a pawn she really is - I think she probably thinks that by appeasing them she has tamed them.

boredofbrexit · 18/03/2017 23:15

And NS is being pulled into this extremism too. Neither she nor Alec Salmond ever really wanted to go for even the first independence ref, but with May's intransigence, she has no option now.

eh?

woman12345 · 18/03/2017 23:34

Now this looks interesting, a cross party group, that's not happened much recently:

"Theresa May’s personal crusade to expand the number of grammar schools is in serious jeopardy today as senior Tory, Labour and Liberal Democrat MPs unite in an unprecedented cross-party campaign to kill off the prime minister’s flagship education reform.

In a highly unusual move, the Tory former education secretary Nicky Morgan joins forces with her previous Labour shadow Lucy Powell and the Liberal Democrat former deputy prime minister Nick Clegg to condemn the plans as damaging to social mobility, ideologically driven and divisive".

www.theguardian.com/education/2017/mar/18/cross-party-alliance-grammar-schools-theresa-may

SwedishEdith · 18/03/2017 23:43

I get the feeling Nicky Morgan hates Teresa May.

Peregrina · 18/03/2017 23:54

Will this educational rebellion fizzle out? As so many have done since last June? Nicky Morgan has a good reason to hate Theresa May being booted out of Office the way she was.

May is just not a student of history or she would know why Mrs Thatcher approved more Comprehensives than other education ministers. It's a vote loser - people don't want Secondary Moderns.

HashiAsLarry · 19/03/2017 07:37

More coverage of GO and his job share.

When its ok to be an MP and hold a second journalistic job. When you're a leaver like Gove.

When it's not ok - when you're a remainer like GO.

Simple Grin

woman12345 · 19/03/2017 08:39

The grammar school revolt is also important because it's yet another non manifesto bill. May's lack of mandate is becoming too obvious and calls again for an election, which she will win with her 17% lead, apparently.

As well as 'weaponising' NHS and privatising education, housing is how they bully too: housing bill gets rid of long term council tenancies.
Loss of migrant labour in an industry with few traineeships and decreasing work force means, there are severe shortages of builders and labourers to build new housing.

@faisalislam

  • industry facing decline in workers of 25%, rendering incapable of meeting existing output, and prob leading to fall to 100-150k houses pa

^www.standard.co.uk/news/london/housing-bill-protest-thousands-to-attend-march-in-central-london-a3202066.html^
^The bill would also abolish lifetime tenancies in council houses, meaning the right to stay in a council house indefinitely would be withdrawn and tenancies reviewed every few years.
The government argues that the bill is a necessary reform to the housing system, which will cut spending and boost house-building and home ownership^

We seem to be living through a cross between failed state coup, civil war and the clearances. The government seems to have declared war on the country.

HashiAsLarry · 19/03/2017 08:44

Just had a look through DD's school bag and found a small mention on a newsletter that my MP Pig will be giving a lecture talk about 'British Values' to the school. I really strongly object, not least to the tone of 'British' values but also because of his stance on women. I can ask that DD doesn't get to do this can't I?

Kaija · 19/03/2017 08:59

Don't know but would be worth a try. For the last year or so schools and colleges, and even adult education (where it gets really ludicrous) have had to embed "British Values" in the curriculum. It's almost too comical to be offensive.

woman12345 · 19/03/2017 09:00

It's the law, Hashi teachers have to sign a document agreeing to 'British values' now. Ofsted assesses on it.
www.doingsmsc.org.uk/british-values/
"According to Ofsted, 'fundamental British values' are: democracy
the rule of law; individual liberty; mutual respect for and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs and for those without faith."
Maybe you could engage said MP Pig with a lively debate on how May's doing on those.
Funny old world.

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