Brexit Arms special - the fingers on the trigger!

[surferjet]

Well here we are, almost 9 months on from the referendum & A50 is finally set to be triggered this month.
We've had petitions, marches, tantrums & tears, from the hardcore remainers desperately trying to stop the will of the people, but they can't.

So let's get the champagne out of the cellar ready & waiting - this is the last Brexit Arms thread so let's celebrate!
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Semi complains of rude and dismissive posts and then a poster backs her up by calling remainers idiots. Brilliant satire

Yeah, that sounds like Trump. Going to be interesting watch the worlds trade barriers go back up. Protectionism is now the name of the game. Not empathy.

Guess we have different visions for our children's futures then Infinite. I see Brexit as making my children's futures much harder.

Your children's future and that of your grandchildren is compromised by Brexit turning the UK into an isolationist and backward looking playground for millionaires and corporations.

My children's future will be assured by living in a country which will have more flexibility than it would have, had it remained tangled in the intransigent EU machine.

A partnership with the EU via EEA/EFTA membership initially is a far better prospect for UK, free from the shackles of 'ever closer' political union & interference.

Example here:
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/01/european-free-trade-area-could-be-uks-best-brexit-option-says-judge

I wonder how higher food prices and the destruction of NHS/public services, rampant globalisation will help my children?

EEA/ETFA membership would be the best option for the UK if Article 50 is triggered, and I would think a lot of Remainers would be OK with that, but that would still require free movement of people - how will that sit with May's vision of Brexit and the hard line Leavers?

Draylon I bought and spent my Euros at 1.20 in December, so if your friends are lucky enough to time a German or French electoral muddle or an Italian or Greek financial crisis they may yet do better than you - always risky to try to time the currency market so I applaud you for buying in to certainty at a price you can afford.

how will that sit with May's vision of Brexit and the hard line Leavers?

It will be a starting point for potentially being completely independent, it does not need to be the final destination.

This is where the politicians will earn their money by pointing out the positives to this set up.

The biggest gain for Leavers remains the fact that UK will no longer be hidebound to the EU diktats as it is as a full member.

Also, wrt free movement the UK can take a much harder line with this than it has until now.
For eg, the approaches laid out here:

www.richardcorbett.org.uk/brexit-immigration-squaring-circle/

So the fact that TM seems to be intent on crashing out without any kind of EEA/EFTA deal doesn't worry you?

That all sounds far too sensible semi.

And achievable - if there is a political will to do so?

Those approaches all seem very sensible, semi. Of course there is nothing at all stopping us from implementing any of these while still being a member of the EU.

None at all except that the majority of those who voted voted to do it outside the EU

"The biggest gain for Leavers remains the fact that UK will no longer be hidebound to the EU diktats as it is as a full member."

On the contrary, if we're in the EEA/EFTA we'll still have to follow EU rules and regulations, but will have no say in drafting them.

Having said that, the EEA/EFTA option is one I could live with in the short/medium run.

semi you've mentioned EEA/EFTA several times which I really don't understand as that is not the direction we are heading in?

This is exactly what I mean about Leavers being more vocal about what they actually want and where we are heading because, for now, you've all been grouped together in wanting as hard a Brexit as possible.

Why are you happy with potentially no deal if you initially want EEA/EFTA type deal?

Wednesday 29th March

Nobody actually knows the direction we're heading in though Bear.

At the moment it's just speculation and catastrophising; from 29th March we will finally start to actually see what is achievable/practicable/suitable.

David Davis is not bull headed, he's pretty sensible - and I'm not convinced by the May Hate on these threads, I think she's pretty sensible too.

On the contrary, if we're in the EEA/EFTA we'll still have to follow EU rules and regulations, but will have no say in drafting them.

If something is brought in that is so abhorrent that we couldn't possibly agree with it, we could leave the agreement- far, far easier than it is to leave the EU.

It's far cheaper.

We could use it as a transitionary tool, until such time as we're properly able to break completely free.

Wednesday 29th March

Thanks Semi

Ah. Three days early.

Can I reserve a ticket for the do on the 29th please, Surfer?

Oh yes!

Party night next Wednesday! 🍾🍾🍾🍾

Surfer. I haven't read the whole thread and have never before popped into the Brexit arms as I thought it was a Remainers only pub. Just discovered that there are other Leavers like me who dare to speak up for themselves and their country's independence.

I've been on several threads where I've explained my moderate views in an attempt to reassure Remainers that Farage doesn't represent us all, only to be branded racist, xenophobic, ignorant and bullied to the point of abandoning threads (including my own). These are the people who have staked out the moral high ground but descend to ridicule (f**k off with unicorns please) and name calling. I've even been stalked!

I hope I've found a calm accepting refuge here?

Refuge yes but won't be much calm to be found next wednesday
(beware of invasions)