Brexit Arms special - the fingers on the trigger!

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Well here we are, almost 9 months on from the referendum & A50 is finally set to be triggered this month.
We've had petitions, marches, tantrums & tears, from the hardcore remainers desperately trying to stop the will of the people, but they can't.

So let's get the champagne out of the cellar ready & waiting - this is the last Brexit Arms thread so let's celebrate!
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svetlana I think you'll find the ignorance is all yours if you honestly believe the tough negotiators are in the background advising TM and DD! If that were the case don't you think DD might have had a few more credible answers yesterday?

I did not see yesterday. And have you not heard of advisers - everyone has them in business and in politics. The White House has scores of them - that is how the front man is kept informed. dearie me .......

svetlana you might want to get yourself up to speed on DDs performance yesterday before calling me ignorant.

If you genuinely thought there were heavy hitting advisors in the background now is about the time to start worrying if that's the best they can do.

Oliver Letwin on the DP defending TM's negotiating skills

"I negotiated with her for 16 years and I nearly always lost"

Just researching DD's many hardman nicknames - I didn't know he opposed trebling tuition fees as well as cuts to TC - another plus point in my approval column.

wrong the nightclub analogy is nonsense because people going to nightclubs doesn't affect anyone else

No, the night club analogy was to demonstrate the concept of understanding an opinion you don't agree with. The details of night clubs/Brexit/the price of fish are not relevant to the concept of "understanding"

You are right on one throng though wrong we will never agree about this

Almost a song, and yes, let's agree to disagree

TM putting her foot down re NS and Indyref2 before Brexit. If DC had acted as the PM of Scotland instead of speaking to Scots as an EVEL PM then perhaps the issue would have been put to bed properly last time.

That will go down like a cup of cold sick howabout

If there's one thing sure to virtually guarantee a Yes vote in the next Indyref it is TM not allowing it to happen until it suits her.

I see you are just as keen to interpret how Scots think as you are to prophesy how badly the rest of us will fare despite admitting you will be fine under Brexit Bear. (one thing not to understand another's pov but much worse to tell others what is good for them imo)

Taking my mind off the England team still crowing about our rugby defeat. Insult to injury is that they will only consider it a victory when they topple the All Blacks - how can NZ produce such a good team with a smaller population than Scotland?

So you think TM is right to tell the Scottish government what they can and can't do then howabout?

I've no idea what rugby has to do with it but, if you do your research it's not at all hard to see why NZ produces such high standard players- they have a much more committed ethos to winning than any team in the northern hemisphere.

FWIW most people I know are heartily sick of referenda. They are also getting a bit fed up of NS purporting to speak for Scotland despite her minority administration status. TM's stance will likely be very popular with the 55% and the 1/3 of the 45% who are pro-Brexit.

Bear you may be right on the NZ rugby team since Scotland does tend to suffer from "individualism" when attempting team sports. However I always think they win because they commit to playing the game the best rather than just grinding out the win as England tend to.

I am part NZ and tend to attribute their winning ways in farming and rugby to the Scottish connection - maybe I should be pro Scottish Independence

howabout 12 months ago I'd have agreed with you about the indyref but one thing I have learned is not to underestimate the danger of underestimating the lengths those who are disenfranchised will go to in order to try and make their point

Re rugby- I do think it's hysterical that you think NZ are as good as they are because of the Scottish connection- Saturday proved Scotland can't deal with the pressure like NZ can.

I do agree about England generally grinding it out though, it's not pretty but at least they have that option. NZ are at their most dangerous in the last 10 minutes of any game- it's what they live for.

Scotland does have 3 simultaneous tennis World no1s though

They can keep him- I wouldn't cheer for him if he were English either

Ah but he's European Bear

Thank you anon for answering
^a) what relationship between the UK and EU they will like to see in 2 years time?
Something a bit closer than the relationships we have with most other countries in the world^-

but what does this mean- lower tarrifs, no tarrifs, frictionless trade for some industries, customs union or what?

^b) what the bad deal that would be worse than no deal would look like
If the EU demands £60,000,000,000 up front and won't talk trade until after we have paid^.
Do you think this is likely given that they are keen to sort something out as well. Also If the treasury/lse forecast are in the right ball park this amount will be wiped of GDP in under 20 years if we leave without a deal

meant 2 years not 20 year

Draylon strongly recommend you watch Viewsnight from yesterday for a direct challenge to your pov.

Know many leave voters then Draylon?
No?
Thought not.

Draylon

Many of these poorer people voted leave because they can't get work due to F.O.M & Eastern Europeans coming over here & taking all the lower paid jobs. That is a fact. If they weren't here it would be easier to get a job. If you can't understand that simple fact then I don't know what we can do to help you?

Oh, & I voted leave. I'm actually quite rich & live in London.

Perhaps you should expand, like this:

In your opinion, you think you understand the circumstances that may have played a part in a person registering a leave vote although you recognise that leave voters like remain voters are not a homogenous mass and have huge range of reasons for voting as they did.

And in your opinion you think a leave vote demonstrates a staggering disregard for their own wellbeing but you have no evidence to support that opinion, nor have you any evidence that their wellbeing might be at risk at all.