New EU immigration regulations may lead to deportations

[Mistigri]

Article on new HO regulations concerning the rights of EU citizens in the UK:

www.freemovement.org.uk/briefing-legal-status-eu-citizens-uk/

On the face of it, these new rules would appear to give the HO the right to deport any EU citizen without permanent residency rights, who is not currently exercising treaty rights and who does not have private health insurance. This will include many EU spouses of UK citizens who are not currently working and cannot document a 5 year period during which they exercised treaty rights - regardless of the amount of time they have spent in the UK.

This gives a whole new slant to those HO letters suggesting that EU citizens make plans to leave. Might be time for affected EU citizens to consider legal advice :-/

(Weird and hostile way of opening negotiations with the EU27 over migrants' rights - I am coming to the conclusion that May may actually want the negotiations to fail).

I don't care much about you personally MistigrI, but most people are worried as per the survey below

uklibdems.eu/en/article/2017/1201396/beld-survey-results

I want you to be able to have the rights you already have.

I just think negotiation is the best way to achieve it.

Bargaining chips or not.

I care in general that in the end everyone can have a satisfactory outcome...

Except for xenophobes. They will just have to put up with it.

Ha does'nt take long does before the Anti Brexit label the pro Brexits racist.

This is my point- It's just a standing off point to badger there left wing retoric

Ok have it your way- It won't change a thing. We are on the way out. Best get some earplugs for when there is a knock at the door- you can pretend you did not hear it like you are not getting it with this thread.

Soon England will be ours again. Rule Britannia!!! Up the Empire!!!

Is that the response you was looking for? Give me strength

Perhaps they believed that the government would pull out all the stops to ensure UK citizens were protected.

In my view they have done so, even at the risk of being branded racists.

Please can I call Bingo!? "Left wing""Labelling as racists"

pro Brexits racist
how about "pro Brexits are 'illegals'

no legal mandate = no brexit.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4280950/Downing-Street-deeply-worried-police-probe.html

^Downing Street is 'deeply worried' about police probe into election expenses that could threaten Theresa May's Commons majority
Up to six by-elections could be forced if prosecutions proceed, it is claimed
Downing Street is said to be 'deeply worried' about police fraud probe
It centres around allegations of overspending which was not declared
The Tories deny wrongdoing in marginal seats including South Thanet^

elements

Soon England will be ours again. Rule Britannia!!! Up the Empire!!!

You said it. ~Shrug~

None of you leavers are doing anything to change the view, widely held by migrants on both sides (UK and EU), that the more ideologically-driven brexiters were mostly driven by xenophobic convictions.

You're happy with threatening settled, long term residents with removal? Fine. Bully for you. But don't expect not to be called out on it.

? When did I say I was happy for you being threatened ?

Not guaranteeing something in the future is not the same as threatening the removal of it.

Now you're just being silly.

Unless there is an underlying threat (of negative impacts for EU citizens up to and including removal), then the bargaining chip argument has no power. So we come full circle: either it's an effective but immoral policy worthy of an African dictator, or it's a pointless policy aimed at appeasing racists. What do you think? Personally I think the latter; and these discussions show that it has been remarkably successful in this respect.

I am only happy with them not guaranteeing it until they have negotiated the matter.

Then I would expect some form of guarantee.

Gone are the days when governments could tell people their plans. Once you tell people it is straight out to the press and can be used to their disadvantage in such negotiations.
I would not wish to see the free press curtailed, but can see how the government are between a rock and a hard place with issues like this.

This is what people like slippery condone:

m.youtube.com/watch?utm_source=twitter.com&v=SMBym9chuwg&utm_campaign=buffer&utm_medium=social&utm_content=buffere7575

People like me do not want people like Patrizia to be used as "bargaining chips" on our behalf.

Slippery did not watch the video and therefore does not "condone" or condemn whatever is contained in it. (won't load for some reason)

You do not speak for all UK citizens in the eu. That is a fact.

I am the only "person like me"

Is there some kind of good cop/bad cop shift work happening today? A change in tactic from the one of the last few days of having an immigrant best friend as the means of showcasing the compassion behind the rhetoric?

If there is some sort of mass cloning of me going on (making lots of people like me) then I would quite like to know about it please.

You do not speak for all UK citizens in the eu. That is a fact.

So go away and find some evidence of ordinary Britons in the EU supporting this policy.

Why do you support this policy, when the people it's supposed to help overwhelmingly oppose it? What do you get out of it?

Why do you want this policy so much that you are would prefer to see brexit postponed rather than allow the Lords' amendment to stand.

What is it in this policy that is so attractive to a certain type of brexiters? Why do they have so much invested in it?

I really do not understand why people who voted brexit and are hoping for a good deal to be negotiated for immigrants both here and in the eu are not allowed to worry about the future outcome for friends both in the uk and abroad.

The issue though is that using human beings (regardless of who they are) as bargaining chips in a negociation is just not ethical.
I am worried about a government who has so little ethics to start from that POV of view.

And yes it is important. Because if some group of people can be considered as 'not important enough to be protected' or rather to be 'expended' in the negociations, you have to wonder if other groups can be too.
I'm thinking what about the poorer of the society (benefits), the elderly (social care) etc etc.

But also, as negociations will carry on, what will happen when things get tough? Will it be OK to also see another group of people as casualties? Let's say by sticking to tight immigration control at all cost despite the cost to the economy and inparticular the cost to the JAMs? (I'm thinking here about the fact that TM has already said that immigration is more important than the economy. A declining economy will impact more on the people at the bottom of the ladder, not the ones who have -plenty- of money already)

Link to the video of Patrizia and James, hopefully a working link this time:

I'll repeat the question, because I am genuinely puzzled about this:

What is it in this policy that is so attractive to a certain type of brexiters? Why do they have so much invested in it?

Why are you working so hard to defend a policy that is logically, either ineffective and pointless, or inhumane and immoral?

Soon England will be ours again. Rule Britannia!!! Up the Empire!!!

You said it. ~Shrug~

None of you leavers are doing anything to change the view, widely held by migrants on both sides (UK and EU), that the more ideologically-driven brexiters were mostly driven by xenophobic convictions.

You're happy with threatening settled, long term residents with removal? Fine. Bully for you. But don't expect not to be called out on it

No......But that is the label anyone who voted to leave is typecast as wanting.

Anyway back to reality- if you are Anti Brexit you are now also enemies of the new state.

No doubt you will be singled out for 'special treatment'.

Follow for your gathering. No one will be safe. Don't forget what will happen when there is the knock at your door.

Does that all make you feel that you are truly non Zeno?

If you want to be sure you can stay in your country of residence you have to become a citizen I have been a EU citizen living in a EU state, the UK for many years, so a citizen already!

I agree that people who have no right to live here should have private medical care. Why not? Why should they have free access to the NHS?

Because they were following the fucking rules!

The rules were, at the time, that health insurance was not needed in order to acrue residency years. So they followed the rules as they were at the time, and now new rules have been applied RETROSPECTIVELY so those years following the rules no longer count

Hold on.
People who live here and exercise their treaty rights are STILL totally LEGALLY receiving NHS treatment even if they dont work.

The stuff about needing a 'comprehensive Heath care insurrance' is about the Permanent Resisency Card needed to get the British citizenship.
If you don't want to get it, there was and IS no reason to have that insurance.

The really big issue now is that people have moved up what is needed to be legally residing in the uk and what you need to become a citizens.
THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

Please note that British people were granted the same when living in Europe, something that they have used to their own advantage too. Just think retired people = someone who isn't working and is therefore self sufficient. Just like your SAHM etc etc Are those British people all have healthcare insurance? Are they staying illegally in the country of their choice? When they are putting a big burden on the NHS of that country much much more than the younger people that are staying in the uk as self sufficient.