New EU immigration regulations may lead to deportations

[Mistigri]

Article on new HO regulations concerning the rights of EU citizens in the UK:

www.freemovement.org.uk/briefing-legal-status-eu-citizens-uk/

On the face of it, these new rules would appear to give the HO the right to deport any EU citizen without permanent residency rights, who is not currently exercising treaty rights and who does not have private health insurance. This will include many EU spouses of UK citizens who are not currently working and cannot document a 5 year period during which they exercised treaty rights - regardless of the amount of time they have spent in the UK.

This gives a whole new slant to those HO letters suggesting that EU citizens make plans to leave. Might be time for affected EU citizens to consider legal advice :-/

(Weird and hostile way of opening negotiations with the EU27 over migrants' rights - I am coming to the conclusion that May may actually want the negotiations to fail).

I agree redpoll

My point is that it is better to use expats from the eu and expats from the uk as bargaining chips in order to get a good deal for both than it is to pander to the needs of one set over the needs of the other. It is the duty of the UK government to consider all British citizens, including those who reside un the eu.

Cut out the sham concern for people like me, a Briton in the EU, who has had it up to here with fake sympathy from xenophobes. You don't represent my interests so stop pretending that you do. Where were you when Cameron decided to disenfranchise people like me in the referendum? Standing up for my rights then, were you?

You can't use a Polish plumber as a bargaining chip against a pensioner in Spain. (A) The Polish government doesn't give a flying fuck about retired British folk in Spain - why should they? and (b) in any case, if the pensioners on the costas come home, it will be because they lose their healthcare and their spending power, not because they get removed by immigration officials.

Perhaps you would prefer me to change my tone to help you portray us as xenophobes...

In that case:

Fuck off then... I hope you get sent home? Is that what you want me to say? Sounds like you would prefer me to say that.

I don't, because I think it would have a devastating impact on your life.... but it seems like you WANT to think I am some sort of xenophobe, which is wierd.

Well at least now you sound more like those with whom you shared a platform....

So you'd prefer me to join them rather than to be concerned?

That will help you because?

It won't help
Makes you more honest though

slippery anyone who uses the dehumanising term "bargaining chip" to talk about human beings whose only crime is being a foreigner is by definition a xenophobe.

It doesn't if it is not what I want.

All those pesky bargaining chips....

May could have no mandate for these decisions, because there may have been problems in expenses affecting the legitimacy of election of up to 9 of her MPs. Her inherited majority is tiny, but that would undermine any political authority she has at all.

So no more stinky racist deportation policies, And Brexit vote would be completely unconstitutional.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4280950/Downing-Street-deeply-worried-police-probe.html

"bargaining chip" to talk about human beings whose only crime is being a foreigner is by definition a xenophobe

Nazis called Jews stucken to dehumanise.

British expats will be used as "bargaining chips" too. As will many other things which effect peoples lives greatly, not just eu citizens.

By definition, when governments do negotiations they use us all as "bargaining chips". Knowledge, trade, security and many other things effect people's lives greatly.

This government is, at the very least, actively considering doing to EU citizens what Idi Amin did to the Asian population in Uganda in 1972 and which was rightly condemned by the entire civilised world.

Of course, if it's not really considering doing it, then it's not much of a threat!

So it's either

• a repellent policy which should be condemned by everyone with an even half-functioning conscience; or

• a pointless act of breast-beating which has no possible purpose other than to appease racists.

Take your pick.

I think you greatly overestimate the value governments put on all of our lives. It is the same the world over.

By definition, when governments do negotiations they use us all as "bargaining chips

That's not even in English. Not surprised you can't tell the difference between a literal reference and a metaphor.

a pointless act of breast-beating which has no possible purpose other than to appease racists.

Or

A tactic to be used in negotiation to get a good deal for everyone as I described above.

Of course we are all bargaining chips.

Same the world over?!
Hardly
Are we treated like Robert Mugabes countrymen and women?

Watch this space, eh?

When they do deals on trade, these deals will effect the lives of many people, who are involved in selling to the eu or buying goods from the eu

Bargaining chips...

Yes generally speaking we are very lucky. You wouldn't think so reading some of your posts though. Nothing has even happened yet and you are ready to call 60% of the UK fascists.

As I said - watch this space

60%!

52% surely????

slippery, I completely accept that this government does not give a shit about me, a Briton exercising free movement (if it did, it would have give me a vote in the referendum). But more to the point, neither do you - or you would, at some point in the last nine months, have taken the trouble to listen to the opinions of UK citizens in Europe on this point.

You are very welcome to believe that using human beings as bargaining chips is acceptable; but please stop pretending that you are doing so because you and the government care about people like me.

As I said above, it's a policy that is either (a) a genuine threat and thus a policy worthy of an African dictator, or (b) not a genuine threat, in which case it is a pointless exercise aimed at appeasing racists.

Yes 52%

The bottom line for any EU citizen residing in the UK, or UK citizen residing in the EU, is that their right to live in that other country is dependent on the relationship between those two nations remaining the same. But if you live in another country (as I've done several times), you have to understand that your being there isn't necessarily a right that will continue forever. Rules change, treaties break down, countries go to war - sometimes with one another. If you want to be sure you can stay in your country of residence you have to become a citizen - anything less than that can be taken away from you.

listen to the opinions of UK citizens in Europe on this point.

On this point, I remember seeing a lot of British expats in Spain being interviewed before Brexit. Many of them did get a vote and they were all, bar none, going to vote for Brexit in the belief that 'it'll get sorted out somehow'. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas.