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Niamer · 26/02/2017 16:16

If you voted for "Brexit at any cost" this will not be of any interest to you. If you voted Leave because you wanted the best for your family and UK, or you voted Remain, please consider supporting Gina Miller's campaign. She is pushing for a meaningful Parliamentary vote at the end of Brexit negotiations, ie with an option to remain in the EU if the deal we get isn't as good as what we have already. Most of my friends who voted Leave have said "Yeah, I wouldn't mind", as however we voted, most of us want the best for our children.
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Mistigri · 27/02/2017 16:33

There is strong feeling on both sides, but only a very small percentage of the population really care that much. Most people don't really care that much about the EU, and know even less, and they will only start caring about brexit if it affects them directly.

Social media (including MN) is an echo chamber, but only a tiny minority of users post on these threads. On other media, such as Twitter, there is a lot of noise but the number of people making it is small. I have blocked a few hundred Twitter trolls and it has magically eliminated the worst excesses of brexit-botulism from my feed.

It's a mistake to think that most people care that much. On the other hand, they will care a lot if it takes money out of their pockets. Once negative impacts start to show up, expect social media to go bonkers with fake accounts blaming any difficulties on the EU; in fact I think this is already starting to happen.

DaffodilsAndCrocus · 27/02/2017 16:41

I know noone who actively uses Twitter and I am the only person I know who reads tweets.

The majority of people I know get all their news from the BBC.

PortiaCastis · 27/02/2017 16:48

77,000 signatures were removed from the original petition because they were bots. Dirty tricks on both sides it seems

mobile.twitter.com/HoCpetitions/status/747063424132255745?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Dapplegrey1 · 27/02/2017 17:13

And I wouldn't say there isn't strong pro-EU sentiment either.

Op I don't understand this sentence in your post. Are you saying there is strong pro-EU sentiment?

Motheroffourdragons · 27/02/2017 17:21

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Kaija · 27/02/2017 17:25

Read the article, wrongtrouser - the Twitter bot stuff was only a very small part of it.

Kaija · 27/02/2017 17:26

But mother's point is an important one too - a lot of Twitter/Facebook content ends up on discussion boards like this one.

Kaija · 27/02/2017 17:29

Was that the 2nd ref petition, portia? If so I believe the fraudulent signatures came from 4chan hackers - very much not from remainers.

whatwouldrondo · 27/02/2017 17:30

This is an article about China's fifty centers just to give you an idea of the level of sophistication employed by paid online trolls. www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2012/10/china’s-paid-trolls-meet-50-cent-party

As far as Brexit is concerned, the clue is that they keep office hours, and only post on Brexit related threads.......

DaffodilsAndCrocus · 27/02/2017 17:38

Tweet, tweeted, have twot..It's tricky!

Its true that the kids in my family are reading online but the wrinklier adults (bar me) are not. Nor do my friends seem to pick up much news from Facebook.

It did seem proportionally more younger family members voted remain but seemed to have no deeply held, concrete reasons why. Maybe I should assume they'd been brainwashed online ! (Joking! They are as entitled to their vote as their elders.)

Kaija · 27/02/2017 18:05

"It did seem proportionally more younger family members voted remain but seemed to have no deeply held, concrete reasons why."

Why do you think this?

GardenGeek · 27/02/2017 18:53

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GraceGrape · 27/02/2017 19:23

It wasn't a free parliamentary vote though. MPs were whipped to within an inch of their lives. This campaign is calling for a meaningful parliamentary vote.

GardenGeek · 27/02/2017 19:39

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Megatherium · 27/02/2017 19:41

But we lost; fair and square.

Not really. There's that little matter of the Leave campaign's failure to report hefty amounts of financial support from Trump's mate.

RedAndYellowPeppers · 27/02/2017 19:50

Nope by meaningful, I mean according the democratic principles of the country. And that means it's the MPs who are dongt he final validation of whatever proposal we can get. Not the PM.
This is because we are a parliamentary democracy.

Now I get that the whole Parliament can't do the negociations. But the whole The should be scrutinised by Parliament and really whatever aim we want should have been validated by Parliament too.

I've seen none of that so far.

RedAndYellowPeppers · 27/02/2017 19:52

Beside if Leave had lost but the same margin that they ahve won, they would have carried on campaigning to leave on the ground that the vite wasn't meaningful as the majority was too small. This had been said several times during the campaign.

So again, applying the same principle, I would say that the margin was also too small to really say that the whole country wanted to leave. Not that 65 millions people have decided to leave the EU as per TM...

Mistigri · 27/02/2017 21:08

But mother's point is an important one too - a lot of Twitter/Facebook content ends up on discussion boards like this one.

This. I've noticed today for eg that all of the arguments put forward on MN threads that are in favour of the deportation of the Singapore woman appear on Twitter first. People are being fed these lines and then regurgitating them here (or the same people spreading this stuff on Twitter are also active in MN).

RedAndYellowPeppers · 27/02/2017 21:25

Yep but no one will ever mention that in the mainstream media.
You have to wonder why. Incl the fact that this government might well at the root of all those tweets.
Or at least be very pleased with them.

More fake news anyone or propaganda??

woman12345 · 27/02/2017 21:36

Banks said AI won Brexit.

DaffodilsAndCrocus · 27/02/2017 23:15

Have just read the article on AI. A lot of food for thought actually so thanks for the link.

Still think EU lost Brexit. No winner.

Mistigri · 28/02/2017 06:01

Banks said AI won Brexit.

Banks talks a lot of bollocks, but certainly spending on social media helped - think it was more the basements full of paid trolls than the AI though (basements that are, if I am not mistaken, recruiting again - interestingly, just as UKIP falls apart and Banks prepares to launch its replacement).

woman12345 · 28/02/2017 09:01

Is a basement of trolls the official collective noun? Grin

WrongTrouser · 28/02/2017 09:16

This. I've noticed today for eg that all of the arguments put forward on MN threads that are in favour of the deportation of the Singapore woman appear on Twitter first. People are being fed these lines and then regurgitating them here (or the same people spreading this stuff on Twitter are also active in MN)

Or, alternatively, people are reading articles with some of the basic facts, rather than ones like the Guardian's which is a bit light on the actualite, and using their own intelligence to draw conclusions about the case, which might be the same as ones on Twitter because it is the same case being considered.

I'm not denying that there might be some organised use of social media going on (certainly during the referendum campaign there was some pretty dubious tactics on both sides) but to start implying that anyone who puts forward a differing view to you is either a shill or a mindless sponge for whatever they are fed is a bit much.

I think if you disagree with people, you should argue with what they are saying. Just trying to discredit them is not the way to go.