Westministenders: Boris and God Knows what next. (I'm all out of ideas!)

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Still a week until Stoke and Copeland. (Labour Hold/Con Gain unless something strange happens) QT is from Stoke next week.

A50 hits the Lords next week. Melania is being lined up to do something for the women. (God help us all).

Will UKIP survive? Will Nuttall survive? Will Labour survive? Will Trump survive? Will CNN survive? Will the Lords survive? Will Theresa May survive a class room of children?

All these questions and more

Lord Butler sums it up perfectly, for me.

“My Lords, one has to ask why those who base their arguments for Brexit on the will of the people are now opposed to consulting the people on the outcome of the negotiations. One has to suspect that they fear they will get a different answer. But if so, we ought to know.”

Cry me a fucking river....
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/milo-yiannopoulos-resigns-from-breitbart-following-paedophile-comments-a7592416.html

I think the economy and the NHS will overtake Brexit very very soon.

In some ways, it already has. Just look at the changes of tone in newspapers.
Just a few weeks back it was still all about MP and the Lords and all those remoaners that wanted to stop us from being great again.
Now the DM or the Telegraph all have articles about the cost of Brexit, people saying it will be very hard work, will cost a lot, is ha going on a cliff and we might well fall etc....

I have wondered if this was because now that the bill has been voted by the MPs then there is no worry about it not happening.
Or if actually the penny is slowing dropping and, always attentive to what is important to their readers, those newspapers are now concentrating on the economy etc...

I can actually see TM falling on the 'small' issue of the NHS rather than Brexit.

And to those saying that Norway wanting to participate to the discussions, think again. They are VERY clear that they do not want a situation where the Uk is going to get more than them or have any special advantages, like theyve had forever within the EU.

I'm wondering too.
In a country where there has been such a high level of racism/xenophobia not so long again, was it ever possible to then become an open country, completely tolerant to other's ways of doing things? Is that possible to change so much in a generation?

The next question being, does it mean we are likely to go back to what it was in the 1960s after Brexit??

BigChocFrenzy.
Still thinking about a little girl getting abused like that, and the barbarity and terror of it. Kudos to the wise head teacher. I wonder how many children are going through that today in Britain, with racists enabled by May and her mates. Thanks for telling us. Here's to fighting it.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/02/why-marine-le-pen-getting-more-popular
The riots have helped her. That Rawnsley article of alleged fear of 'blood on the streets' was pretty duplicitous, I think.

I know the thread has moved on from Brexit Prepping but Mumsnet do have a Preppers section (eg food list, skills necessary for survival) that covered Brexit.

I'm just describing what my current experience is. I wasn't involved in politics (at least SNP politics) in the 70s). At the time I supported Labour as they used to believed in socialist principles. Proudly voted Labour from 79 to 97 (ie as soon as I could vote).

I still believe in those principles. - as do all the SNP activists I have met (many of whom weren't born in the 70s ).

That article about France isn't too far off the mark.
It is missing one big point. The fact the LePen is also caught in a similar scandal than Fillion (their offices have been 'raided' by the police twice so far, part of their investigation).
So they are nowhere near clear on that score either (and fwiw, many french politicians have had to face that sort of accusations in the past - it's not really new).
The main issue with Macron is that he has no plan as such, doesn't t have a party either. So even if he gets elected, he is unlikely to get the majority of MPs in parliament which will make it much harder for him to govern. (Elections for the MPs will follow the presidential election closely).

Fwiw it is also worth remembering that even if LePen was elected, nothing is saying that she would get the majority in Parliament. At local and regional levels, her members have proven repeatidily that they are no use so people might well balk at the idea of also voting for an MP from her party.

Thanks redandyellow other posters have pointed out that like Trump and the ukips the FN are useless and corrupt at actual day to day political work.

In Glasgow in the 70s the SNP were right wing
Angry presbyterian ladies of a certain age eating shortbread and tea in Kelvingrove . They were my school teachers in Glasgow!

I'm confused.
Priti Patel had written in the Telegraph that Britain can help the parts of the world suffering from famine and the parts of the world that are "on fire". Presumably the cogent reasoning is behind the paywall but I have no idea how destroying our own supply chains and beggaring ourselves as a country is going to do that? And failing to tackle climate change?

Priti Patel is a twat. I think that covers it.

I think we can all rest assured of the altruism of Priti Patel, Michael Gove et al. Their desire for brexit was out of selflessness, to reach out to others less fortunate, and to give effect to the humane flame that burns in their hearts.

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THE TIMES: Britain will stay open to EU migrants, Davis admits #tomorrowspaperstoday

Interesting use of the word "admits". Plus, the Times has an even more ludicrous picture of Boris than the zipwire one. Interesting again.

Cailleach I was so touched by your post. And so glad that those noble statesmen are able to tolerate their own increases in status and power for such a great sacrifice.

SemiPermanent Fri 17-Feb-17 13:52:52
So all the countless interviews, polls, focus groups, analysis etc where it has consistently been asserted by myriad Leave voters that it was the overwhelming influx of EU migrant workers (which successive govts failed to support this with increased infrastructure and services etc), and NOT 'the foreigners' in general - they are all a figment of the collective imagination?

Kindly explain why this poster was an ace up Farage's sleeve.
southessexheckler.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/breaking_point.jpg

The acceptable face of racism is the anti-EU immigration stance. Hence all the poll responses.

The real feeling was and remains the feeling this execrable poster was designed to appeal to.

Brexit Sec Davies: "British workers will not be ready to fill the jobs done by European migrants for “years and years”

"As part of a diplomatic charm offensive across eastern Europe, David Davis declared that
the UK would keep its doors open for low-skilled workers in hospitality, agriculture and social care.
His comments could imply that Britons would be reluctant or unable to fill the manual jobs vacated by the EU citizens straight away.

Mr Davis’s remarks
— which were not included in the statement issued by the government following his visit —
will make it harder for Theresa May to achieve her goal of reducing net migration to the tens of thousands."

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-will-stay-open-to-eu-migrants-davis-admits-r2bm8pdmx

bigchoc horrible story, and a timely reminder. I grew up in 60s/70s London, where racism was less omnipresent (because I grew up and attended school in a very multicultural area) but still plain to see. I can't imagine how awful it must have been for non-white kids in very white areas.

I remember in the early 1980s a friend from a very white working class area of Glasgow telling me about taking his black girlfriend home, she was stared at as if she was an alien. On an entirely different note, but also on the subject of social attitudes, around the same time, when I was doing a holiday job at BBC Radio 1, I worked with the producer of a segment on the discrimination faced by children of divorced parents. They brought in teens from around the country who had experienced negative comments and even bullying as a result of being from single parent families. I would think that the younger people on here find this hard to imagine, but 30-40 years ago there was still a real stigma around divorce. If you are under 40 you have literally NO idea how much social attitudes have changed since the 1990s. Please let's not go back there.

Re the French election, I would be wary of any article by english language papers on this topic. They have an appalling record on continental european politics; I don't know if it's the language barrier, or culture, or what, but even the supposedly "quality" press often gets it horrendously wrong. Go and read a French paper, with Google translate if need be (google translate won't get it more wrong than an article written by a UK journalist) or perhaps watch France 24 which I believe has an English language version.

Hmm, is reality finally starting to intrude on the DexEUworld view? Well I never.

I wonder if that photo of Boris is a sign that the wolves are greedily eyeing the straw houses built by the three brexiteers.

Go and read a French paper, with Google translate
Thought this was the case, Misti, BBC seems very pro Le Pen. Oh for and intelligent press, England has long felt like an intellectual desert but never more so. It's pathetic, having to google around world press for thoughtful reporting on current events. And rely on mn for trustworthy (female) reporting.

Just speaking from my experience Mother. The battle of Culloden, the Clearances and Mary Queen of Scots were taught with passion at my proddie junior school in Glasgow, and the fact that the Sassenachs were to blame was a 'truth'. It was mostly historically true(although the nuances between lowland and highland Scotland weren't examined much), but a bit scary if your parents were born over the border, I've never got over being held responsible for 400 years of imperialism. And it explained the justifiable, but partial passion of the independence campaign.

Misti People who can't remember the early-mid 1960s may also not realise the social ostracism there was against giving birth "out of wedlock".
In earlier decades, some single mothers were even confined to mental institutions.
Single fathers were not.

I also remember a common 1960s insult was "spastic" so we must also avoid a return to disablist insults too.

btw, at school the problem wasn't just the kids:
There was also the scripture / needlework teacher who humiliated me at every chance and kept smacking my legs.
Also completely invented things against me, to send me to the head for the slipper or the cane

I could defend myself to some extent against other kids, but I had no defence against her.
Even when the head realised once the allegation was untrue, he blamed the other kids for getting me into trouble, not the racist teacher for lying.
If attitudes change, teachers wouldn't be able to smack now, but they could still invent cheekiness etc and give out detentions.

The most dangerous racist is of course someone in a position of power, whether teacher or police.