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Westministenders: Boris and God Knows what next. (I'm all out of ideas!)

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RedToothBrush · 16/02/2017 23:56

Still a week until Stoke and Copeland. (Labour Hold/Con Gain unless something strange happens) QT is from Stoke next week.

A50 hits the Lords next week. Melania is being lined up to do something for the women. (God help us all).

Will UKIP survive? Will Nuttall survive? Will Labour survive? Will Trump survive? Will CNN survive? Will the Lords survive? Will Theresa May survive a class room of children?

All these questions and more

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Badders123 · 19/02/2017 21:37

😂

woman12345 · 19/02/2017 21:41

and I like Michelle O' Neill, Marvin Rees, and Clive Lewis, is this about politics still?

BigChocFrenzy · 19/02/2017 21:43

Elements The unicorns are stranded

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woman12345 · 19/02/2017 21:47
Grin
TheElementsSong · 19/02/2017 21:49

BCF Grin

HashiAsLarry · 19/02/2017 21:50

Ikea is a sign of liberal eliteness???? Shit, I was only there today Shock.

TheElementsSong · 19/02/2017 21:57

DID YOU EAT THE MEATBALLS Hashi?

HashiAsLarry · 19/02/2017 22:00

I did Grin. Does that make me more liberal elite or not now? So confused.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/02/2017 22:08

Trump being criticised over fake news

Sen John McCain has been especially scathing. If there is an impeachment, he'll be point man.

In an interview on NBC's “Meet the Press” Sunday, McCain said:

“When you look at history, the first thing that dictators do is shut down the press.
And I'm not saying that President Trump is trying to be a dictator. Hmm
I'm just saying we need to learn the lessons of history.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/19/fox-news-anchor-chris-wallace-warns-viewers-trump-crossed-the-line-in-latest-attack-on-media/?tid=pmpop&utmm_term=.a2d2c3047978

Sweden has no idea what Trump meant, but are bearing up well under whatever tragedy the news media have hidden:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/19/sweden-has-no-idea-what-trump-meant-when-he-said-you-look-at-whats-happening-in-sweden/?tid=pmpop&utmm_term=.e7548a722338

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woman12345 · 19/02/2017 22:09

Elitism can literally start with one meatball, and before you know it you're a full quiche traitor.

woman12345 · 19/02/2017 22:14

But, Mc Cain didn't win and Trump's genuinely really popular with his core voters. Democrats there and labour here need to know that.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-voters-why-did-they-vote-grant-county-nebraska-a7588681.html

Mistigri · 19/02/2017 22:15

Ikea is a sign of liberal eliteness????

Quoi?!

The elite don't build their own fucking furniture.

CeciledeVolanges · 19/02/2017 22:19

BCF Rees-Mogg! Peter Bone, Philip Davies, Peter Lilley, John Redwood

CeciledeVolanges · 19/02/2017 22:19

I'm awful though ;)

lalalonglegs · 19/02/2017 22:20

Misti - Ikea is Swedish. The Swedes are proven refugee-welcoming, high-tax paying, equality-respecting , meatball-munching terrorism deniers. No wonder the elite bloody love Ikea (and they get East Europeans to assemble their furniture for them at below minimum wage Wink).

Peregrina · 19/02/2017 22:21

With only around 500 working days between the triggering of Brexit negotiations and the legal deadline for Brexit two years later, negotiators will have to agree on the divorce settlement at a rate of 40 legal measures per day."

It's a frightening thought. Most of us don't have too much to do with legal processes, apart from buying a house. Think how many processes that is - what, maybe a dozen/twenty? Typically our house moves have taken 4 months, and we've been lucky, we haven't been caught up in long chains.

woman12345 · 19/02/2017 22:24

Cecile can I add Soames Tebbit and Eric Pickles.

woman12345 · 19/02/2017 22:26

Legal systems are elitist, so we don't need new laws to replace the EU ones.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/02/2017 22:26

That's a nightmare list, Cecile Too many horrible politicians on the Brexit side (NOT Leave voters )

Peregrina · 19/02/2017 22:37

Add Teresa Villiers.

Good guys - Kenneth Clarke, Dick Taverne, now in the Lords, (I was surprised he was still alive), Peter Hain, John Major.

HashiAsLarry · 19/02/2017 22:38

All those years I've been slowly poisoning myself with liberal elitism and didn't even know? Meatball stealth Shock

TheElementsSong · 19/02/2017 22:46

It's a slippery slope, Hashi, before you know it you'll be eating quinoa with hand-knitted lentils, holding a season ticket to the opera and complaining that your au pair was late ferrying little Tarquin and Jocasta to their riding lesson.

Oh, and worst of all, being a Remainer Grin.

Motheroffourdragons · 19/02/2017 23:03

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RedToothBrush · 19/02/2017 23:03

I think the question is generally can you name a nice politician. Then go from there.

Anyway this cultural elite thing has a problem. Going back to the seven classes in the UK thing, the Tory party has a problem.

Elite - the most privileged group in the UK, distinct from the other six classes through its wealth. This group has the highest levels of all three capitals 6%
Established middle class - the second wealthiest, scoring highly on all three capitals. The largest and most gregarious group, scoring second highest for cultural capital 25%
Technical middle class - a small, distinctive new class group which is prosperous but scores low for social and cultural capital. Distinguished by its social isolation and cultural apathy 6%
New affluent workers - a young class group which is socially and culturally active, with middling levels of economic capital 15%
Traditional working class - scores low on all forms of capital, but is not completely deprived. Its members have reasonably high house values, explained by this group having the oldest average age at 66 14%
Emergent service workers - a new, young, urban group which is relatively poor but has high social and cultural capital 19%
Precariat, or precarious proletariat - the poorest, most deprived class, scoring low for social and cultural capital 15%

The established middle class and the elite are the highest consumers of culture and are over represented in how they control the media. The next highest consumers are the emergent service workers - which are high in immigrants and the metropolitan young. A lot of the metropolitan young are also children of the middle class parents. (The middle class and the emergent service workers make up 44% of the population.)

The elite are by nature most likely to be Conservative. But so are the established middle class. And then in lies a problem. How do they manage that when the 'cultural elite' are the bulk of the 48% and the ones keeping up a fuss?

This is probably why May made a point about the hard working just getting by. They are aiming for trying to win over the culturally apathetic. But this is connected directly to education and expectation too.

In theory in means that long term to further conservatism, the Tories have to attack social mobility and 'keep people in their place' by hammering the education of the lower groups whilst at the same time keeping the middle classes happy. This would probably mean finding some way to promote and expand education in the most middle class but not elsewhere. It would also mean keeping the older classes - the traditional working class happy by protecting the pensions and maybe pick up some votes there.

The groups that can be run over by a bus are actually young emerging service workers (except this doesn't work well if parts of this group happen to be the children of the established middle class) and parts of the precariat (as they don't tend to vote).

Labour in going for the aging traditional working class are abandoning the emergent service worker, which they have huge support from. And this allows them to be run over by the Tory Bus.

Balancing this, can't be done without haemorrhaging support all over the place where the Conservatives traditionally have it. They also have to reply on cultural apathy elsewhere - and indeed promote cultural apathy.

So yes, education. How would you go about doing the above?

Also, Lord Ashcroft tweeted something today. Now I don't know what he was getting at, but he's the Conservative's polling expert (and keen supporter of Trump).

Lord Ashcroft ‏*@LordAshcroft*
Get them young...

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RedToothBrush · 19/02/2017 23:16

www.stokesentinel.co.uk/video-ukip-member-caught-on-cctv-urinating-and-trying-to-push-way-into-oap-s-home-in-stoke-central/story-30147297-detail/story.html
Video: Ukip member caught on CCTV urinating and trying to push way into OAP's home in Stoke Central

Stoke Sentinel Story.

BTW, I love the stuff about Corbyn and McDonnell being the only ones who will read the report on leadership. It gives me visions of the people writing the report, doing so in code so other people on the team don't know some of the data, so its all covert until the second Corbyn opens it. This prevents all possible risk of leaks. Why would they want to do a report and then keep it secret? If its good, why wouldn't they share it, if its bad, then they should be sharing it for the good of the party... Oh...

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