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Westministenders: Boris and his friends hand in their homework to be marked.

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 14:10

The last week has been depressing for a lot of people.

Even if you are happy about the vote in the Commons, there is a worrying lack of backbone in MPs of all shades.

Then there’s what is going on in the USA which I’m going to quietly ignore in this post except to say that cosying up to Trump still could backfire on all who do for numerous reasons.

It seems like its all over in someways, but there is still plenty going on.

The A50 Bill has only passed stage one. The Government’s deliberate publishing of the White Paper after the vote has left a lot of people with egg all over their face.

Plus its just crap. Actually its not crap. It’s a dog dinner of farcical proportions with no content, faulty data and incorrect details that an A-Level Student did the night before their assignment was due, masquerading as an official government document.

Now its amendment time, which is the serious bit. For an amendment to make it, it will need cross party support. After the government failed to produce a White Paper worth the paper it was written on, and insulted the intelligence of the House of Commons, that could get interesting.

For starters the White Paper says that EU citizens are one of our best bargaining chips. Trouble is a lot of Tory and Labour MPs don’t agree.

In short there is a fair old chance of a government defeat next week at some point. The government don’t want any. Especially not this early. I really think it will be very difficult for the government to provide the assurance MPs will want, even if they crack the whip. They have lost the trust of too many. In voting for the first vote, many MPs will feel they have shown their intent to support leaving and now will get busy on trying to hammer down the details.

Highlights include of the White Paper include the idea that we will still be subject to the ECJ except we won’t. This is ridiculous. We will be subject to ECJ rulings but not be subject to ECJ rulings directly. Eh? What? (Not that we didn’t see this coming). There’s Euroatom and the government doing an impression of Homer Simpson. With a by-election in Copeland on the cards. That story has some time to keep running. As Steve Peers points out, the Leprechauns are going to sort out Northern Ireland for us which is a great political strategy to employ.

Its full of lots of other utter bollocks but those particular points are the ones that are potentially the most problematic for the government. If you don’t think the White Paper screams we are going to get eaten alive by the EU and Trump, you need to get off the hallucinogenics pronto.

If that isn’t awe inspiring enough we also have:

The wonderful mental image of Paul Nuttall kipping on a mattress in a house in Stoke disparately pretending to be a Stokie, nervously hoping that letterbox rattling in the wind isn’t C4 letterbox again and that the coppers don’t pay him a visit in the near future. I confess that whilst my imagination has been kept busy with this, I am disappointed in the lack of video clips of him munching on an Oatcake in a Stoke City shirt, sitting on an Armitage Shanks throne, turning his plate over whilst listening to Robbie Williams and with a Titanic by his side. All at the same time. I think he’s missed a few tricks.

AND

Diane Abbott doing quite possibly even more damage to Labour than them merely rolling over and dying over a50 by pulling a sickie. Her ‘Brexit Flu’ damages the party’s image and Corbyn himself even more. If that’s even possible. Some Labour MPs have demanded an apology.

Labour is starting to look like it’s a ship with rats fleeing this week. MPs have defied a three line whip and quite the Shadow Cabinet (Again). Rumours are that over 7000 members have left. A councillor has defected to the Lib Dems. There was a council by election in Rotherham where Lab lost a seat to the LDs in an area where there has never been as many people vote LD. Nor were there as many remain voters as LD voters. The Parliamentary vote for Unite’s new leader has unsurprisingly selected the anti-Corbyn candidate Gerald Coyne over Len McCluskey. The bookies have dropped the odds on Corbyn leaving Labour before a GE from 6/1 to 2/1 overnight. Oh and Red Ed is being rumoured to be returning to the front bench…

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RedToothBrush · 06/02/2017 14:57

www.itv.com/news/2017-02-06/labour-mps-win-54-000-damages-over-abuse-remarks/
Labour MPs win £54,000 damages over abuse remarks

Three Rotherham Labour MPs have been awarded £54,000 in High Court libel damages, after a Ukip politician made remarks about the town's child abuse scandal.

Eeeeshh... I don't know how that is going to be taken in Rotherham...

lareviewofbooks.org/article/normalization-lesson-munich-post/
Against Normalization: The Lesson of the “Munich Post

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woman12345 · 06/02/2017 15:02

I think we should call this thread the Munich Post, after reading that one red

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2017 15:11

CeciledeVolanges interesting point.

Are EU citizens who are eligible to vote in local elections but not Westminister Elections and the EU referendum doing so post Brexit to make a point at the ballot box?

It might be having quite an effect, given such low turnouts in local elections. A couple of hundred votes in a ward with an electorate of 7500 people with a turnout in of just over 20% is significant. 200 votes on 20% turnout is 13% of those who do vote.

If this is indeed happening, that really is a slap in the face. EU nationals who care more about local elections and issues than their British neighbours who can't be fucked to go and cast a vote which will probably affect them hugely.

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Peregrina · 06/02/2017 15:15

....than their British neighbours who can't be fucked to go and cast a vote which will probably affect them hugely.

This is similar to my asking Leavers whether they voted in the European elections on more than one thread. I had one response only and that one saying they didn't vote because their voice wasn't heard. To which I could only respond that their voice wouldn't be heard if they couldn't be bothered to speak.

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2017 15:24

The irony being in low turnout elections, a single vote makes a louder noise.

Dinnington's turnout in Rotherham last week was 15%. The UKIP supporter who had the EU Referendum vote breakdown by ward was doing his nut it.

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lalalonglegs · 06/02/2017 15:25

I wonder how Nige's very public estrangement from his wife will affect his (alleged) application for German citizenship Smile?

Peregrina · 06/02/2017 15:27

What - you mean UKIP couldn't get their vote out? On this, apparently the most vital issue which has affected them for 40 years?

Nigel - ha, ha, is the best response. I wonder if wifey will decamp to Germany with the children?

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2017 15:34

No they got the vote out for the EU. They just couldn't be fucked to come out to vote in a local election even though there was a high level of local support for UKIP.

(We wonder how much of a similar effect there will be in Stoke Central. The drop off in intent to turnout amongst leave voters has occurred between October and the end of January).

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RedToothBrush · 06/02/2017 15:41

www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/02/06/97-tech-firms-file-court-brief-opposing-immigration-ban/97538208/
In filing, 97 tech companies oppose Trump's immigration ban

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HashiAsLarry · 06/02/2017 15:44

Nigel Farage in not completely honest shocker

NotDavidTennant · 06/02/2017 15:48

Are EU citizens who are eligible to vote in local elections but not Westminister Elections and the EU referendum doing so post Brexit to make a point at the ballot box?

That seems unlikely.

HashiAsLarry · 06/02/2017 16:01

Theresa May ahead of Brexit votes warns MPs against "obstructing democratically expressed wishes of British people"
From BBC Brexit Live statement re EU summit

I wish I'd looked at that ballot paper more clearly. I missed the part where we got to vote on more than one thing.

Peregrina · 06/02/2017 16:18

Hashi - yes, I missed the PTO on the ballot paper, which asked for which particular option we wanted.

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2017 16:22

After May and Edna announced last week that they had agreed there would not be a hard border:

www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/brexit-border-deal-not-legally-possible-442184.html
Brexit border deal ‘not legally possible’

Ireland is heading for Brexit “disaster” as Taoiseach Enda Kenny’s desired special deal between the Republic and the North is not legally possible, it has been claimed.

Chris Bryant MP ‏*@RhonddaBryant*
Really not on for Theresa May snidely to call @EmilyThornberry by her husband's name. Surely we've moved on from women being addenda to men?

Oh Hello? I don't expect this from a man. Never mind a woman. Will look up on Hansard later...

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RedToothBrush · 06/02/2017 17:07

The Speaker of the House of Commons has just been talking about a State Visit by Trump.

He was asked about whether Trump would be allowed to give an address in Westminister Hall. The Speaker said that there were precedents where similar heads of state had not automatically been given that 'honour'. Normally it would be decided by the three key holders of the hall as to whether this was allowed, of which he was one (the other was the speaker of the lords and I missed the title of the third).

He stated that before the Immigration Ban he would have been against Trump doing this as it was inappropriate (implying Trump had not earned the honour). After the immigration ban he was even more of that opinion.

He then said he had less of a say over an address elsewhere in Parliament but he did not support it on principle.

He was given a loud cheer and round of applause. (For which he was supposed to tell everyone off for as its not the done thing in the HoC but he said he would let people off on this occasion).

This was after he had also replied to a point of order by Emily Thornberry and the way Theresa May had addressed her. May 'apologised' with a dig at the end but the speaker did say she was not acting appropriately but would leave it there with the apology.

He's also said that clerks will no longer need to wear wigs from later this year after a request from the clerks which he supports. Which has irked some Tory MPs.

I am rapidly becoming a big fan of John Bercow. Not just on the basis of today but over recent weeks. He at least is not stuck in the 18th Century and like this thing called Progress.

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Badders123 · 06/02/2017 17:12

John is a good egg.
He survived that vote of no confidence from the tories didn't he?
Anyone the tories want out is ok imo
👍🏻😀

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2017 17:15

Guido Fawkes ‏*@GuidoFawkes*

NEW Nigel Farage: "For Speaker Bercow to uphold our finest parliamentary traditions, he should be neutral."

If Farage says Bercow is wrong, that's a sure fire sign, he's in the right.

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SapphireStrange · 06/02/2017 17:18

Marking place.

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2017 17:20

In September 2009, Nigel Farage resigned his leadership of the UK Independence Party to stand for Bercow's Buckingham seat, asserting, "This man represents all that is wrong with British politics today. He was embroiled in the expenses saga and he presides over a Parliament that virtually does nothing."

ROFLMAO!

HAHAHAAHA.

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lalalonglegs · 06/02/2017 17:26

Ha ha ha that the speaker is meant to be neutral when JRM is apparently lobbying to be Bercow's replacement Hmm.

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2017 17:29

I know. JRM as speaker would be awful.

He would piss off all the clerks. Perhaps that's why the Clerks have made the request now, so that its more difficult for any successor to take us back to the 18th Century.

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HashiAsLarry · 06/02/2017 17:30

JRM as speaker of the house Shock. How far back can we dial the clocks?

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2017 17:37

Pier Morgan has now spat his dummy out over the Speaker and Trump.

Good work Mr Speaker.

Grin
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RedToothBrush · 06/02/2017 17:50

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-egg-stoke_uk_5898ae21e4b0505b1f597b58?
Nigel Farage Gets Pelted With An Egg In Stoke

(There are few places in the country this would happen. Its very Stokie.)

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