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So .....how are we all this evening?

I went to high school in St Andrews - now there's a place stuffed full of well-to-do students.

Has it's upsides though, when I needed extra help for my physics higher I just went out with a physics student for a few months - no need to pay for a tutor...!

List of those voting against the democratic majority vote.

I always think that St Andrews and Durham have a lot in common, the students always seemed to be very public school sorts. Used to frequent the bar at Castle in Durham - it was always staffed by posh girls that couldn't add up, so you'd get 4 drinks for the price of 2, pay with a fiver and get change for a tenner.

leavers & remainers have found their own little place on the internet to chat

The trouble is this thread has descend back to vacuous, puerile comments again and so far mainly consists of slagging of the Westminster thread.

There's virtually no mention of Brexit.

Even the leavers who want to discuss points on Brexit are doing so on the Westminsters thread not here.

There's not much point in chatting in an echo chamber.

did someone say something?
lighten up bear.
everyone is entitled to a little vacuousity.
plenty of threads elsewhere to test the grey matter.

And my post wasn't about the soap box thread I don't go on it have a great day

Vacuous is a new insult as well I'll add it to the collection Bear you'll need a thesaurus as this rate

The trouble is this thread has descend back to vacuous, puerile comments again

But thank goodness we have the thread police to keep us on the straight & narrow!!
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Interesting reading on Guido Fawkes today amongst more weighty stuff a light nite (so that we don't disappoint Bear ) is that Tim Farron has put out a press statement saying he won't attend a state dinner with The Donald if his state visit goes ahead. Top comment: Does that mean they will be short a waiter?

*note

or short a short waiter even

I'm sure his input will be sadly missed

Massive pat on the back for Kate Hoey MP

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38815817?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_daily_politics_and_sunday_politics&ns_source=facebook&ns_linkname=news_central

No point writing to my MP about anything - being SNP he is not permitted a mind of his own or indeed to pay any heed to the 55% or the 35% Brexit / Yes supporters (per latest polling at the weekend).

To go back to Bored's Guardian article yesterday, by Prof Hans-Werner Sinn, what a breath of fresh air. I know it's already been quoted but:

While it is undoubtedly regrettable that the UK is leaving, the truth is that free trade with the EU does not have to be accompanied by free movement of people

It's almost like hearing blasphemy or that the earth moves round the sun. It's like the Labour MP (can't remember who) who said there is nothing essentially left wing about freedom of movement.

I'd be interested in what they think of the article on the WM thread. Has it been linked to on there? Funny that whilst the hard remainers seem to think it's their business to try to influence American policy, no-one seems to be talking about trying to influence the EU to agree a mutually beneficial Brexit. Why would that be?

Wrong I read good piece ages ago in Times about it - FOM has brought down whole project I can guarantee if they had done it in a different way with different checks and balances we would be in the EU still and without half as many issues as it has. FOM is not needed. But this of course is not considered for one second by the top brass.

Yvette Cooper (as shadow Home Secretary) speaking in favour of immigration control prior to the last GE.

press.labour.org.uk/post/102953239474/yvette-cooper-speech-labours-approach-to

How she is approaching the issue in the post-Brexit World.

labourlist.org/2016/12/cooper-set-to-take-commons-committee-round-britain-to-tackle-immigration-failure/

OMG she wants to go round the country talking to think tanks about immigration its so simple 1) leave the EU which forces us to accept FOM and 2) we have done that already - dong it

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Its irritating to me to hear " we accept immigration is good for the UK"

Its like we never had any immigration prior to Blair kindly introducing us to it. Not true! We have always had immigration!

I dont know a single leaver who wants to stop all immigration. We just want it back to what it was prior to TB open the flood gates in 2004.

Manageable, controlled and predictable numbers of people coming here to work and fill roles we need.

Debbie but I think that that would be the responsible action to talk to experts on the issue and find out all of the facts.
I am a remainer I personally do not have an issue with our current levels of migration as I think the issue actually lies with the successive government’s lack of infrastructure investments. However that is irrelevant in terms of going forwards if we do look to deal with an issue which I accept is an issue for other people then we need to make sure it is right for the country and people going forwards.
The NHS will have very different levels of migration needs compared to the Manufacturing sector, when compared to the Agricultural sector and so on and so on.
So surely we should have a comprehensive debate and review on what is best going forwards?
That was my understanding of her meaning?

The NHS will have very different levels of migration needs compared to the Manufacturing sector, when compared to the Agricultural sector and so on and so on

Well, quite.

Exactly what people have been repeatedly saying for years now - immigration is fine, immigrants are welcome - but not unfettered, complete freedom of movement with no targeted focus.

It's not exactly a new thing - this has been known for ages.

Semi

No arguments there as I said I have to respect that this is obviously an issue for some people. I think that what was being said was that instead of a one size fits all approach we need to sit down and work out what is best going forwards.

Why is it actually ironic that some people who are reasonably well-off are opposed to Trump and Brexit? I'm not seeing why there's some searing irony in that?

People from Europe managed to get NHS jobs prior to 2004 opening of UK labour force to former communist countries. The difference was the labour market was far more balanced. The problem with everything only came when poor corrupt former communist nations were given access to our labour market. Total ignorance of the difficulties those counties have faced and under estimation of why people would flood out and leave a . I have a relative who came to from one of the ee counties and still after twenty years of living here the legacy of the brutal poverty and hardship she and her family endured under communism are still writ all over her today. I have no doubts like pre 2004 people will still want to come and work here and we will have no trouble at all filling posts. It happened pre 2004 and it will happen again.

Yvette Cooper didn't say we would have an issue getting people to fill jobs and nor did I, I just said shouldn't we make sure though that if this is an issue for people that it is dealt with appropriately.
As much as the Home Office may think they now what a sector needs without speaking to them how are they really sure?

I think her first port of call should be frank field in her own party, ask him why he was moved to vote leave. It seems what he is saying falls on deaf ears. Anyway I just feel such relief we do not have to rely on the labour party anymore to hear our concerns over immigration. I read interesting article yesterday about poor fishing community in Germany by black Sea. Painting a bleak picture of people who feel merkel has ignored them and doesn't represent them. People interviewed also said they will turn to the only party who allows them to talk about immigration. Doesn't sound like they Re far behind us