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Westministers: Boris and May give us the Brexit Leeming Plan.

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2017 15:17

Theresa May has made a speech.

It’s a wish list for hard core Brexiteers. It’s a large corporate executive’s wet dream for exploitation.

Even requests for a white paper as recommended by the Brexit Committee have been ignored. Thus meaning there is no chance for proper scrutiny. Plus whilst on the one hand parliament have been told they will have a vote on the end deal, this is merely slight of hand, with Davis stating that if parliament vote against this, then we will leave the EU without a deal in a chaotic exit. Thus making the vote an exercise with a gun to parliament's head.

Workers Rights and the Welfare State die with Brexit. Even the precious NHS. Especially the precious NHS once its been stole off to the highest American bidder.

May is being lobbied by her hard right and to save her next she listens only to them. She has no interest in listening to anyone else. The demographic and voting patterns favour her to head this direction. There is nothing to be gained for her personally by doing anything else.

She is already laughing her head off in glee at the collapse of the NI assembly. It plays right to her agenda.

Under the wheels of the bus go the JAMs, under go the disenfranchised who rarely vote but came out in force for the referendum, under go single mothers, under go the disabled, under go those with mental health concerns who struggle with already bureaucratic systems set up to ‘catch them out’, under go the EU immigrants especially those who have families here and may not have equal rights in future, under go British Citizens living abroad who might find themselves without healthcare or pensions, under go our Human Rights and any chance of challenging the state’s authority and interference in our every day lives, under go small business who will drown in red tape, under go Scotland and NI.

Yet this is ‘for the children’ or ‘the grandchildren’. Its spineless and cynical and offers nothing for those currently able to vote but under the age of 40. Won't you think of the children? Its fine if you are already retired and have a nice little pension isn't it?

The National Interest? This is a foreign concept. Probably an EU one.

The Baby Boomers are net beneficiaries of the welfare state. The young are unlikely to have a welfare state in a few years and are already net contributors. They have now been robbed of the choice over their future and in patronising tones effectively told they are irrelevant.

And of course Uncle Donald is a fan. You can almost see his vampire fangs reading to get his teeth into the UK and suck the life blood out of it.

It is a horror show.

Its all about selling Theresa May to the Express and the Mail and they love it. Her speech is to set the scene of how committed she is and to lay the blame at anyone who challenges her. It attacks the EU and paints them as the aggressor who are there to prevent poor little Britain from getting what it wants. If Brexit goes wrong, it was all an anti-British plot. Not a collective self inflicted brain haemorrhage. She's gone full on Farage and out Farages Farage.

This all comes perhaps a week before the Supreme Court Ruling.

Funny timing eh? No not really.

It’s a pre-emptive strike.

What on earth will they say? Will this merely allow May to dismantle our current legal system by gathering support for a General Election Manifesto that outlines its demise? Thus extending the mandate for Brexit even further. Probably.

I fear that the courts may only serve to strengthen May in the long run due to the lack of opposition and a Labour party that is imploding, with dozens of its MPs being rumoured to be looking for employment elsewhere. I fear that without a media able to effectively hold May to account in the face of her media baron supporters.

Our only hope really lies within the Conservative party itself and whether May is able to keep a lid on the various on going power struggles. The only trouble is that one of those challengers is a certain Brutus in the form of Mr Gove. I struggle to work out who would be worse; Gove or May. And of course this only highlights the issue that who else is there with in the Conservatives who isn’t a reptile? Even Arron Banks commentated that during the referendum he found Labour MPs nice people and the Conservatives unpleasant almost to a man. High praise indeed.

Meanwhile in America, NATO is obsolete and so Europe will have to consider an EU Army and Russia is firmly getting its claws in. And yeah, just Donald Trump. That Project Fear thing was just fake scaremongering wasn't it? Right? Right?

sigh

What on earth can possible stop this insanity? Not necessarily stop Brexit, but at least stop the PURE INSANITY.

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lurkinghusband · 18/01/2017 16:39

HSBC to shift some staff to Paris.

Shift Hmm ? I suspect that statement has already been vetted by the Brexit boys.

Given Mays rhetoric, it's entirely possible that UK citizens will require visas and work permits to work in the EU. If that is the case, I'd dump the UK staff and hire EU staff.

Wow, I could really get to like this taking back control. Especially as it seems to favour EU citizens over UK citizens.

howabout · 18/01/2017 16:56

Suspect the staff HSBC are thinking of relocating are mainly non-UK EU nats living in London.

Suppermummy02 · 18/01/2017 16:56

If they are only shifting some staff to France that means they are keeping their main base in London. I remember it wasn't so long ago that socialists wanted to sack all the bankers, how times have changed.

PattyPenguin · 18/01/2017 16:58

lurking it's quite possible that at least some of the said staff are French citizens, so at least the UK will be rid of a few pesky furriners, eh?

It can also say goodbye to whatever tax the Exchequer gets from the jobs, but hey, who needs tax receipts in groovy low-tax offshore Britain.

RedToothBrush · 18/01/2017 17:03

Faisal Islam ‏*@faisalislam*
Toyota boss to @ChrisGiles_ after PM's single market speech "now have to consider...how our company can survive"

Not - how wonderful so many opportunities' - 'how we can survive'.

Stop being so gloomy Toyota! Brexit is great!

www.ft.com/content/24ccc368-dd72-11e6-9d7c-be108f1c1dce
Toyota warns of Brexit damage to UK operations

Carmaker says competitiveness at risk and calls for Nissan-style reassurances

What a surprise...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/18/prepare-for-new-surge-in-hate-crimes-against-eu-citizens-says-echr-article-50?CMP=twt_gu
Prepare for new surge in hate crimes against EU citizens, says EHRC

UK human rights watchdog says police should be prepared for backlash against EU citizens when article 50 is triggered

Cheery.

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Suppermummy02 · 18/01/2017 17:04

Looks like Labour are supporting TM Brexit plan so its well supported by both sides of the house of commons. Democracy in action.

Peregrina · 18/01/2017 17:05

I feel more and more angry about this. May has totally capitulated to a self serving small bunch of Tory right wingers, who I am damn certain will have scarpered when the shit does hit the fan.

May could have avoided much of this. When she took office instead of her haranging tone, she could have stated that there was a preference to leave the EU and order an enquiry into the ins and outs of it. Then publish a white paper... If it eventually proved to be either workable or unworkable, then at least it would have been an informed decision. As it stands, wrecking the country for to save the Tory party is all that matters.

Sadly people don't see it, and vote the stupid fools in time and time again. I hope they do eventually see it, and destroy the party for a long, long time.

prettybird · 18/01/2017 17:08

Peregrina - now that would have been a sensible approach Smile

But as a colleague in the NHS once said to me, many years ago, "If common sense were so common, why is there so little of it about?" HmmSad

lurkinghusband · 18/01/2017 17:14

"Common sense" is a cultural construct, not some sort of absolute truth.

Many years ago it was "common sense" to burn witches to save their immortal souls. To the extent that to doubt it would have risked a double burn-up.

some common sense medieval style. Totally logical within the universe it comes from.
Peregrina · 18/01/2017 17:16

Extract from the Surge in Hate Crimes article:
The prime minister’s spokeswoman said the government would “certainly not want” a surge in hate crimes, when asked if May shares Isaac’s concerns.
“The prime minister has taken a very strong and clear stance on our commitment to continuing to be an open and tolerant nation and to stamp out hate crime wherever it exists,” she said.

Given the tenor of last October's Tory party conference, I would call this statement an outright lie.

RedToothBrush · 18/01/2017 17:20

Peregina have you seen No 10's response to Verhofstadt calling for May to tell Johnson to apologise for his comments about Hollande?

This divorce is going to get nasty and vicious. May wants that.

Doesn't fit with wanting to stamp out hate crime either. Its ok for the foreign minister to throw comments around like that, therefore any member of the public is perfectly ok to do so....

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lurkinghusband · 18/01/2017 17:21

Clearly a few bloodied or crispy foreigners is a small price to pay for taking back control.

And my, don't they whinge. You can tell they're not really British - all that emotion ! Where's the stiff upper lip and Dunkerque Dunkirk spirit, eh ?

lalalonglegs · 18/01/2017 17:27

Oh Boris is so colourful, can't think why anyone would take offence. Honestly, he doesn't mean any harm, why can't these foreigners just loosen up a little and share the joke - we're famous for our sense of humour, after all, everyone says so. Poor Europeans, aren't they going to miss it once we withdraw overseas rights to Mr Bean in two years' time.

RedToothBrush · 18/01/2017 17:28

www.cjr.org/covering_trump/trump_white_house_press_corps.php
An open letter to Trump from the US press corps

I hope journalists do this.

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Kaija · 18/01/2017 17:33

"If they are only shifting some staff to France that means they are keeping their main base in London. I remember it wasn't so long ago that socialists wanted to sack all the bankers, how times have changed."

No doubt a few socialists still do. For the rest of us, criticising bonus culture - and a model where the risk lies with the public and not the risk taker - is a far cry from wanting the entire industry decimated with devastating effects on tax revenue and public services.

You don't cure a headache by slitting your own throat.

Kaija · 18/01/2017 17:35

Good letter.

woman12345 · 18/01/2017 17:47

Good letter agree. Pity the BBC and British press can't/won't do the same.

birdybirdywoofwoof · 18/01/2017 17:47

If only they could shorten it to 140 characters, then Trump might read it!

Peregrina · 18/01/2017 17:48

You don't cure a headache by slitting your own throat.

I suppose you do, but it's not recommended!

The thing with the banks starting to move operations is that they will take their tax earnings with them and they, plus higher education are two of the major earners of income for this country. May can babble all she likes about a 'country which works for everyone', or one 'which is open for business' but let us hear what she is going to replace this lost income with. Be in front of the queue for a disadvantageous trade deal with Trump, I suppose, the worse the better.

What I could see her having to do is provide more bungs for Toyota, BMW, Honda, special exemptions for particular categories of workers. In the end it will cost her considerably more than the £350 million a week that won't be available for the NHS.

prettybird · 18/01/2017 17:58

Re Lord of the Rings and the lack of girls: I remember my mum (an English teacher) complaining about a dramatisation of it at my (mixed) secondary school (40 years ago Blush) as in her view, part of the point of the descent into savagery was that it was just boys and that if there had been girls there, the dynamic would have been different and they would have been more civilised.

#justsaying Wink

whatwouldrondo · 18/01/2017 17:58

Axel Werner at UBS has announced at Davos that their plans are looking at shifting 1000 of the 5000 in London.

WifeofDarth · 18/01/2017 18:01

And the delightful Gove chips in to the debate on twitter

(@michaelgove)

People "offended" by The Foreign Secretary's comments today are humourless, deliberately obtuse, snowflakes-it's a witty metaphor#getalife

So shameful.

Kaija · 18/01/2017 18:03

Do you mean Lord of the Rings or Lord of the Flies, Prettybird? (Not many girls in Lord of the Rings either.)

Kaija · 18/01/2017 18:05

Christ, Gove is really getting in to the whole alt-right thing. It's excruciating.

I guess it's just an unusually malignant mid-life crisis.

AnxiousArmy · 18/01/2017 18:07

I don't have too much faith in the conservatives, but then what disabled parent with a disabled child would?

I can't work, not won't. No amount of 'checks' will 'catch me out'. If my benefits are cut or stopped I would starve/become homeless as would my children. No amount of 'encouragement' would get past the fact that I cannot earn my own money to feed my family.

My disabilities are permanent as are dd's. It is extremely unlikely that she will ever live an independent life.

My entire world is dependant on the government right now. And I am ducking terrified.