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Niamer · 09/01/2017 18:52

Remainers, regretters and non-voters, please come!

www.uniteforeurope.org

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Peregrina · 15/02/2017 07:52

the party with most winning individuals, that should say....

IamWendy · 15/02/2017 08:02

Well, if the referendum was only advisory, then I'm very glad the government is taking this good advice and acting on it.

Perfectjob · 15/02/2017 08:03

We didn't vote on soft, medium, or hard boiled brexit, so she gets to decide. Davis Cameron offered an 'in out' choice, the U.K. Said yes by voting him in, knowing it was an 'in out' question. Nobody was under the impression that we then got to decide what type.

She gets to decide what a load of rubbish? This isn't primary school, or a dictatorship. A lot is at stake and it will affect the whole country. Except for the wealthy and privileged few who are currently making the decisions.

It would be in everyone's interests for there to be a real dialogue about what happens now, and for all decision-making to be the joint responsibility of the whole of parliament. But the Tory right have seen an opportunity and, aided by Murdoch, are running with it. Because it suits their agenda, and because the party is more important to them than the country.

Perfectjob · 15/02/2017 08:05

The Leave campaign said again and again that we wouldn't be leaving the Single market. Many leavers will have believed this. We have all been conned. There is nothing altruistic about the government.

Peregrina · 15/02/2017 08:08

Agree Perfectjob. I would also say that TM has risen to the level of her incompetence, and appeasing the right wing is the easy option for her. Who will ditch her as soon as they find her inconvenient.

Real dialogue would start by admitting that there are real problems and real divisions which need substantial work to be understood, let alone to start to heal them. Instead we get claptrap about 65 million people behind her, which is rubbish. We still have families and friends divided - the divisions will take a long time to heal.

Peregrina · 15/02/2017 08:12

Even Farage extolled the Norway model before the Referendum.

But suddenly, the question on the voting paper has changed itself retrospectively.

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Niamer · 15/02/2017 09:16

Well, if the referendum was only advisory, then I'm very glad the government is taking this good advice and acting on it.

Please good you explain why you feel it was good advice?

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Niamer · 15/02/2017 09:16

Could *

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JilMac · 15/02/2017 11:14

I'll be there with bells on. The referendum was a wake up call. We have allowed trashy newspapers to spread propaganda and educate the masses for too long. And now we will all pay. Whatever it achieves, we cannot do nothing. Peaceful protest is a cornerstone of democracy. Referendums are not. Whilst they can be useful in gauging public opinion on binary matters, they cannot be used to make decisions of such gravity, when public opinion is so easy to manipulate. It would be worth remembering that Hitler was very fond of referendums, as a way of inserting populism into democracy, and ultimately getting his way.

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Niamer · 15/02/2017 13:56

Yes you're absolutely right Jillmac. There are so many reasons I just have to be there. Yes, I dearly wish I had campaigned before the vote, but that is no reason for me to stick my head in the sand now.

Equally, I really hope regretting Leave voters will speak up. Most people voted in good faith for what they thought was best for their family and their country. They didn't ask for the referendum, they didn't ask to be fed lies. The far right successfully dressed this up as a peoples' vote and in doing so robbed us all. We should all be very angry and acting before it's too late.

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TheFullMrexit · 16/02/2017 11:20

Well, if the referendum was only advisory, then I'm very glad the government is taking this good advice and acting on it

Grin Grin

It frightens me when people are still asking questions like " what was good about it", so much info out there - links - articles - program's, peoples personal stories - how is it some people never pick it up?
My Dh is a remainer I know why he voted remain and I agree with many of his reasons ( although he has never gone into vast detail - neither have I) I understand his reasons I can see the other side of the argument.

It perplexes me why some posters on here seem incapable of the same though?

TheFullMrexit · 16/02/2017 11:22

Lets hope the far left dont come out and turn this march violent Hmm

TheFullMrexit · 16/02/2017 11:23

We have allowed trashy newspapers to spread propaganda and educate the masses for too long Shock

How can you believe this rubbish! It beggars belief!

Fitzsimmons · 16/02/2017 11:29

How can you believe this rubbish! It beggars belief!

Spotted the Daily Heil journalist. Wink

Wish I could attend but sadly I live too far away in the frozen north.

Corcory · 16/02/2017 13:57

Unescorted tried to state up thread that the Conservatives were not abiding by their commitments in their manifesto. Nothing could be further from the truth. The manifesto stated that 'We will negotiate a new settlement for Britain in the EU' Well that's what Cameron did! As the settlement didn't gain everything he had wanted it failed so they promised to hold a referendum and abide by the decision of the British people and that is what they have done.

Also as is so often mentioned often that the referendum was 'advisory',well the conservatives stated in their manifesto that they would abide by the result. The HoC also voted to hold a referendum and abide by the result which is what the government are doing.

Kaija · 16/02/2017 14:36

They also made a manifesto commitment to continuing membership of the single market.

ReleaseTheBats · 16/02/2017 14:42

And the manifesto said that a deal would be negotiated with the EU and then it would be put to the country in a referrendum. Therefore she has no mandate and the referendum was held in an arsse about backwards way

Page 75 of the offending article - direct quote

We will negotiate a new settlement for Britain in the EU. And then we will ask the British people whether they want to stay in on this basis, or leave

Unescorted I don't know if you have genuinely misunderstood what is written in the Tory manifesto or if you are being disingenuous.

A new settlement was negotiated by Cameron (February 2016) and then the decision whether to remain or leave the EU on the basis of that settlement was put to the country in a referendum. There is nothing arse about face about this, it is exactly what the manifesto set out.

The full section of the manifesto you quoted from reads

We will let you decide whether to stay in or leave the EU

We will legislate in the first session of the next Parliament for an in-out referendum to be held on Britain’s membership of the EU before the end of 2017. We will negotiate a new settlement for Britain in the EU. And then we will ask the British people whether they want to stay in on this basis, or leave

We will honour the result of the referendum, whatever the outcome

ReleaseTheBats · 16/02/2017 14:43

Or what Corcory said above.

Mistigri · 16/02/2017 14:49

The manifesto also made a commitment to remaining in the single market, and to giving disenfranchised British citizens their vote back.

There is a mandate of sorts for brexit, but not for just any sort of brexit.

But regardless of whether there is a mandate or not, people are entitled to protest. Opposition is part of democracy.

Corcory · 16/02/2017 16:02

I read it that the manifesto said they were committed to the single market but within the EU. - 'reclaiming powers from Brussels on your behalf and safe guarding Britain's interests in the single market'.

GloriaGaynor · 16/02/2017 16:09

Yes and our interests in the single market have not been safeguarded.

GloriaGaynor · 16/02/2017 16:13

It frightens me when people are still asking questions like " what was good about it", so much info out there - links - articles - program's, peoples personal stories - how is it some people never pick it up?

Programmes I assume you mean - maybe you'd like to list some of this 'info'?

It's a it premature to assess the advice as good, when you've no idea what the outcome is.

GloriaGaynor · 16/02/2017 16:13

*bit

Corcory · 16/02/2017 17:04

Gloria, as I said I feel that the statement only refers to us still being in the EU so no longer applies now.

ReleaseTheBats · 16/02/2017 17:18

Peaceful protest is a cornerstone of democracy. Referendums are not. Whilst they can be useful in gauging public opinion on binary matters, they cannot be used to make decisions of such gravity, when public opinion is so easy to manipulate

Do you mean "should not" rather than "cannot"?

As I understood it, we live in a parliamentary democracy and our parliament decided to hold a referendum on this important issue. Parliament then voted to uphold the referendum result. Do you know of some higher power than parliament which says this is somehow illegitimate? Or know some law which explains why we "cannot" do things this way?