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Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.

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RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 11:17

Bloody hell where are we up to?

Trump is preparing for the White House. He has refused to give up his assets which will be a conflict of interest and maybe lead to corruption. He has just settled a fraud case out of court. One of the cases of illegal sexual behaviour has collapsed after the claimant was too afraid to proceed. His VP believes in stopping all abortions by any means necessary and beliefs in gay conversion therapy. He has appointed a white supremacist as his chief strategist. His attorney general is regarded as amnesty’s biggest enemy opposing just about all human rights bills as a senator. He has also been dogged by accusations of racism. His national security advisor supports torture techniques such as water boarding. These three appointments have been greeted with delight from the former leader of the KKK.

Man of the people, Nigel Farage is trying to undermine Theresa May and sideline the government by cozying up to Trump in front of a couple of gold doors. His long term intentions look increasingly wider than purely being about the EU and ever more sinister in nature. He is in danger of doing a rather good Moseley impression.

Meanwhile rumours persist of voter suppression and dubious election practices in several key states, which are hugely undemocratic and Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote.

These are all things you are supposed to ignore, and are just expected to believe that everything is okay and that it’s the fault of liberals for standing up for discrimination and that this discrimination is none existent in the first place. Unless your Head of State is named Merkel.

But don’t worry, our Head of State is set to intervene though. The Queen is due to invite Trump to Windsor and is our secret weapon. Like Kate is our secret Brexit weapon. The cost of this intervention? A £396million refurb of Buck Pally. If she can pull that off, hell, let’s just send her to Brussels instead of Johnson. We might get some good will even if Philip drops a clanger about prosecco.

Back in the UK, the a50 saga drags on. The NI case now joins the ‘People’s Challenge’ at the Supreme Court, as well as new representation coming from both the Scottish Government and Welsh assembly. The government defence has changed, with one of the key changes has been to describe our rights under the EU as different by calling them “internationally established rights” and therefore different to domestic rights. They now say that they previously agreed with the claimant that a50 was irrevocable, their position is now that whether it is irrevocable or revocable is irrelevant to the strength of the case, effectively leaving it open for the devolved governments to pursue this line.

Previously it was assumed that this would require a referral to the ECJ. It is not necessarily the case. The situation is more complex as was outlined in a HoC Library Briefing. In this, it states a referral might be legal unavoidable as otherwise could be open to damages, might not be needed as the Supreme Court itself holds the power to decide whether a50 is reversible or not or that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to refer until after a50 has been triggered (which changes the dynamics of things).

Even then, it might prove to be legally possible but politically impossible to reverse, it might require a unanimous agreement to reverse by the other 27 which might enforce conditions in doing so.

Several senior Conservatives have called for the government to drop the appeal. Oliver Letwin, argues that it is might up the government up to being vetoed by the devolved assemblies, Dominic Grieve thinks its simply unlikely to win, and Edward Garnier has said it leaves “an opportunity for ill motivated people to attack the judiciary and misconstrue the motives of both parties to the lawsuit”.

One of the Supreme Court judges has been criticised for outlining the case to law students in a speech due to misreporting. In the speech she said that the referendum was not legally binding before going on to explain that an act of parliament to trigger a50 might not be enough and that the Great Repeal Act might have to be passed to replace the European Communities Act before we can notify the EU of our intent to leave if the defense case holds up before she went on to explain the government’s position. Another Supreme Court judge has been called to excuse himself after his wife made pro-EU tweets as obviously by nature of being married, is completely biased.

A former lord chief justice has now warned that Liz Truss has caused a “constitutional breakdown” and may have broken the law by failing to defend judges.

I’m putting money on the live video feed of the Supreme Court breaking due to ‘unprecedented demand’. This of course is a conspiracy.

At the same time a Three Line Bill for a50 is prepared to put to the HoC with the intention that the HoC and HoL would not ‘dare defy it’. Except the Lib Dem Lords are suggesting they see no reason why they shouldn’t table an amendment that ensures parliamentary scrutiny and have consulted a constitutional lawyer over the matter. The feeling is that, if they don’t do this, then what is the point of the HoL? At the same time, measures to restrict the powers of the HoL over statutory instruments have also been dropped. This seems to be a good thing given the timing, until you find out the apparent reason; they apparently will need these powers to enact the Great Repeal Act.

Elsewhere a who’s who of the right of the Tory Party – 60 MPs – back a call to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union, whilst Hammond regards himself as the last voice of sanity in the Cabinet over the realistic challenges of Brexit.

Hammond is to deliver his Autumn Statement this week, which looks set to include tax breaks to those earning over £43,000 which Shadow Chancellor McDonnell agrees with. McDonnell of course has been doing a lot of agreeing with the government lately. Austerity looks unlikely to end. The NHS seems likely to as well.

Work and Pensions Secretary, Damien Green has been wetting his pants at the exciting opportunity to expand the gig economy. The growth of which I think few will argue has been a hugely contributory factor to feelings that drove the Leave vote. More Tory MPs have rebelled on cuts to disability benefits calling them cruel.

Liz Truss has had a riot from prisoners and a revolt from the prison staff in addition to her problems

Amber Rudd has been forced to admit there are secret files on the miners’ strike and Orgreave clashes which she did not take into consideration whilst making the Orgreave decision. Is that the faint whiff of a cover up? She has also had the largest victims charity withdraw its support from the child abuse inquiry initiated by May.

Arron Banks has a plan to ‘Drain the Swamp’ of British politics from corruption. This seems to ignore the incredible antics of Liam Fox and instead focus on some of the most pro-remain voices of Clegg, Soubry and Lammy. This happens just as UKIP have been accused in a EU audit, which Farage does not think are carried out frequency enough, that it has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds improperly and may have to refund this. This is unfair. Apparently. In other UKIP’s news, the likely leader, Paul Nuttall, has said on the day that Aleppo’s last hospital was destroyed that he thinks Putin is behaving appropriately in Syria. Post-Truth indeed.

What we need is accountability for the national interest. Not any of this shit of blaming liberalism for the party political self interest of the last 40 years.

In light relief, Ed Balls might be popular at dancing but when it comes to leader of Labour he polls even worse than Corbyn. A fate only shared by Tony Blair. So it could be worse…

Anyway, I know there are few heads going down here, so I’m going to leave you with a link to a quote from Vaclav Havel:
www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/12/vacla-havel-index-on-censorship-ludvik-vakulik/
Vaclav Havel: "We became dissidents without actually knowing how"

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Brushedcottonpatterns · 29/11/2016 20:06

I wonder if UKIP & DM & Sun are seeking to recreate a society reminiscent of the Hunger Games. Sad

merrymouse · 29/11/2016 20:14

The logic behind this suggestion is that 3/4s of all Irish exports to the UK use this motorway. And where are Ireland going to get the money to pay for this road?

Is nothing exported to Ireland? If not, is this all part of the 'we can tell other countries where to go because we rely on imports fantasy'?

(Also, I'm assuming this is the shorter Welsh bit of the M4, and we aren't supposed to get the Irish to fund deliveries from paper factories in Slough)

TheNorthRemembers · 29/11/2016 20:37

Annie There may have been some naughty people [ahem] who voted more than once.

Grifone Is it real news? I am now quite uncertain at what is real. (I do not doubt you, just cannot believe some of the things people / politicians say...)

Peregrina Funnily enough there were like 10 different languages mentioned in one of the articles, so it is like a proper rainbow school in Worcester.

Sorry, lala. How could I forget about Priti?!

Still thinking about all those NHS-depleting hordes of Spanish pensioners in our country. All 62 of them... www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/25/the-week-that-time-stood-still

You do not have to pay to attend the Christmas performance in our state school, but we all cough up. They always make the cutest kids hold the charity bucket.

RedToothBrush · 29/11/2016 20:49

Faisal Islam ‏@faisalislam
got back from spending a few days in Luxembourg at European Court of Justice and the Efta Court - many Brexits currents flowing here... 1/10
In an exclusive interview the senior UK lawyer at the ECJ Eleanor Sharpston told @skynews ECJ has "ultimate authority" over Article 50 2/10
ECJ's AG Sharpston said her Court might take "4 to 8 months" to deal with a referral from Supreme Court, "fully aware" of sensitivity 3/10
Asked how possible that ECJ, which UK will leave could referee any aspect of Brexit, Sharpston: "If you join club and wish to leave.. 4/10
.... you leave in accordance with the rules when you join club.. A50, interpretation of those rules a matter for this Court [the ECJ]." 5/10
ECJ's Sharpston also warned Great Repeal Bill transposition of EU law into UK law "incredibly complicated" ...risk legal system "falls over"
Efta Court's Baudenbacher tells me his court easiest option for post Brexit trade dispute mech "structure exists, structure is tested" 7/10
Back to ECJ - expectations of a referral are far higher, I detect, than many in UK realise. Could be 28 Judge Chamber (incl UK judge) 8/10
9/10 even if not from next week's case, the legality of a final EU-UK deal, possibly a transition one too, likely to find its way to ECJ
10/10 - reiterate - expectations are that if A50 case does get referred to ECJ, could delay A50 by four to eight months

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RedToothBrush · 29/11/2016 21:11

David Jones @DavidJo52951945
Remainers should be banned from making legal challenges to Brexit, this is a stitch up

Translation:
People, including those who voted to leave - not just remainers, should be banned from exercising their legal right to challenge the government.

This of course makes perfect sense and would not lead to other problems.

(See Hillsborough).

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TKRedLemonade · 29/11/2016 21:22

TheNorth it's real news about Welsh UKIP suggesting we here in Ireland pay to fix their road as we have access to EU funds....it's wasn't just one person either! You can guess as the derision it's getting over here. The First minister responded perfectly saying basically "you campaigned for no more EU finding so you can't now ask another country to make up the shortfall you campaigned for" he also pointed out the traffic didn't run one way only and if Welsh cars and trucks used the English buy then they could ask Wales to fix it.

SwedishEdith · 29/11/2016 21:24

Just read this from a link on Twitter.

mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/a-little-english-coup.html?spref=tw

'A little English coup' by Simon Wren-Lewis, Professor of Economic Policy at the Blavatnik School of Government, Oxford University, and a fellow of Merton College.

Tryingtosaveup · 29/11/2016 21:30

I think it outrageous for those patents to be asked to pay £1 to see the nativity play so that the school can buy books for the 43% who cannot speak English. Why on earth should they?
The parents of the non English kids should pay.
I just cannot believe this is happening. I would refuse to pay.

Grifone · 29/11/2016 21:31

Best of course AM not MP!

Yes TheNorth unfortunately it is real. If you click into the link there is a vid of the AM adressing the asembly.

SwedishEdith · 29/11/2016 21:39

Schools raise funds all the time in various ways, hardly unusual. Perhaps the Head thought it'd be kind thing to do, being Christmas and that. Investing in education and language lessons benefits everyone. And it's 43% who don't have English as their 1st language not who can't speak it all. So, they'll be bilingual.

missmoon · 29/11/2016 21:51

The mainlymacro blog linked to by SwedishEdith is excellent...

Peregrina · 29/11/2016 21:56

The mainlymacro blog linked to by SwedishEdith is excellent...
But such a sad commentary on the state of our House of Commons, the majority of members who seem to have forgotten that it's their duty to consider the well being of the whole country, not roll over and give in to a small handful of extreme right wing Tory bigots.

RedToothBrush · 29/11/2016 21:58

So if the parents can't afford books would you prefer the children to not learn English?

I can't see what the issue is. If there were kids with learning special needs, should only the parents of those children pay for that? And if they can't then those children should be further disadvantaged or not be in the school at all. Or is that different because the prejudice is not as acceptable to voice?

The school, could just charge everyone and say it was for the general needs of the school and you'd be none the wiser about what the money was being spent on and you could be saved from being having a collective responsibility to everyone.

So much for the citizenship thing May went on about that we should all have to our local community. You know this includes non-English speakers and your responsibility to them if they commit themselves to staying in the UK.

Funny thing is the 'citizens of nowhere' seem to be those who are more likely to get why paying for a Christmas play might be a good thing for the community not those who supposedly are citizens.

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TheNorthRemembers · 29/11/2016 22:15

I still can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to suggest that we would tax the Irish for the use of our motorway...

Red If there were kids with learning special needs, should only the parents of those children pay for that? And if they can't then those children should be further disadvantaged or not be in the school at all.
When we finally take back control from the EU and fulfil our destiny to beg our way to be part of the US, this may be the case:
In May 2000, [attorney general candidate Jeff] Sessions took to the senate floor to make a lengthy speech on the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, arguing that federal protections for students with disabilities was a reason U.S. public schools were failing.
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeff-sessions-slammed-law-protecting-schoolchildren-disabilities_us_583cf751e4b06539a78a3bdc
Where do they find all these people?!

TheNorthRemembers · 29/11/2016 22:18

SwedishEdith That blog is so sad and infuriating, and true. The trouble is that quiet batpeople like me feel obliged to play by the rules.

whatwouldrondo · 29/11/2016 22:23

TheNorthRemembers

Catholic Schools are highly selective

Only in areas where they are oversubscribed. If they are not the oversubscription criteria do not kick in, and they must accept any child whose parents apply unless they can demonstrate that they do not have the resources to teach them, usually in the event of exceptional SEN. Since many Catholic Schools were established in areas where in the past there was immigration from Catholic countries like Ireland and in Eastern Europe, there are many Catholic Schools in inner city areas who do have high levels of pupils who are not Catholic, and on Free School Meals, have Black and Minority Ethnic backgrounds or have English as a Second Language.

In oversubscribed Catholic schools however the selection criteria do apply and this results in them having lower levels of FSM, ESL and BME pupils than the local community, in some cases the lowest in the country, in this part of London 1% compared to 10% in the community schools they neighbour. In some oversubscribed schools, especially in London where the pressure on places is very severe, it is common to have a criteria that requires baptism by six months. That is cannon law but it also discriminates against those from other countries, especially Eastern Europe. It is not the practise in former Communist countries, especially as they, in common with all but three other countries on the planet (two of the others are Israel and Ireland) do not have religious selection for places in state schools.

woman12345 · 29/11/2016 22:28

TheNorthRemembers's local paper
now 62% remain

SwedishEdith · 29/11/2016 22:29

"Where do they find all these people?!"

Not too far away, it seems. No anger about schools having to ask for money from parents for books because of government policies but, instead, directed at immigrant parents.

TheNorthRemembers · 29/11/2016 22:33

Thank you Whatwouldrondo. Very good point about the over-subscription criteria.

TheNorthRemembers · 29/11/2016 22:34

woman12345 It is not all me Blush

whatwouldrondo · 29/11/2016 22:41

Trying Catholic Schools in particular expect parents to pay a voluntary contribution towards the running of the school. This is generally put down to the requirement that the church pay 10% towards the capital costs of running the school (buildings maintenance etc.). However the state pays 90% of those costs and 100% of the running costs, 99% of the costs in total. In return for paying that 1% of costs the Catholic School gets the right to exclude 100% of local non Catholic children if the school is oversubscribed. The result is that in areas where there are exclusive Catholic Schools children are discriminated against on the basis of the religious beliefs of the parents and those schools do not have to help the community to ensure that children from disadvantaged backgrounds (who generally live in families too chaotic to know, let alone meet, the religious admissions criteria even if they are practising Catholics). I think the parents in Worcester already have the privilege of a state funded faith school and perhaps should not take that for granted, let alone fail to show some christian charity when asked by their church?

woman12345 · 29/11/2016 22:43

thanks for flagging it up though!TNR

Tryingtosaveup · 29/11/2016 23:20

It's one thing showing Christian charity and it's another having to pay extra for books for those non UK children. This is an excellent example of the strain on resources that has come about because of freedom of movement and uncontrolled immigration.
I fully understand why the parents objected. This is not about the voluntary contribution towards the costs of running the school. I understand that very well. This is an additional cost for special books over and above those usually required because there are a large number of EU nationals in the school who do not speak good English.
It's a drain on the resources of the school.

Tryingtosaveup · 29/11/2016 23:24

The parents in question do not" have the luxury" of a state funded faith school. They pay their taxes in order to have that school. And of course they should have access to a faith school if they are Catholic. This is still a Christian country.

Peregrina · 29/11/2016 23:28

Did the article say that they were EU nationals? Would the parents object if the children came from sub-Saharan Africa not speaking English well? ( I expect so.)

Where do you draw the line? If your child isn't sporty do you say that any money you give can't be used for PE equipment?

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