The Brexit Arms (temporary till the licensee get here)

[BoredofBrexit]

Noise enforcement squad!
Where's the landlady? Surfer?
We've been advised of a a lock in and it's reported that the jukebox has been stuck playing Pulp - Common People - all night.

Red
I bet you're not on twitter

On many of the sub forums there used to be 'pub threads' - don't know if that's still a 'thing' these days or not.

They were general chit-chat type threads that people wandered in & out of, often some relevant discussions, often just random shit amongst posters with a shared interest.

That's the spirit that I thought this thread had been started in, and it appears that quite a few others thought the same.
A very few seem to view it differently apparently.

It was an anology. Ffs yourself.

You bet wrong.

Its not my natural habit mind. Forums always been my thing. Been boring the tits off everyone for 20 years. I'm a social media dinosaur.

mango, there's a whole section for that on here- it's called Chat.

Any thread in the EU referendum section has to comprise people who want to discuss the actual subject heading.

Bearbehind
Stop being the pub bore.

That was my point Bear.

The sub forums had their own chat thread running.

I can guarantee if a thread that concerned Brexit was in chat it would be reported & moved to the Brexit sub forums within hours.

MN thread & forum monitor...

Right.

Back to post for the last time.. in my former guise the brexiteers took faux outrage and hit the report post button as much as theye could, having discussed it with others it seems that this is a common thing, they can't intellectually justify their own arguments so seek to silence those who are a treat. Thy also deliberately behave in a goady way to wind others up which I succumbed to. Which I do apologise for

In the end the fact that they see the victory for Trump and brexit as for the working man shows their lack of understanding of the issues. It also shows in this thread when they repeat racist and untrue things that they have been challenged on previously but still keep repeating because its comforting.

I am going to mention the mn administration here too,there seems to be an ability amongst some posters to do anything, and on previous threads when others have been named mn intervened and defended them because hey weren't present, yet the dweebs here were able to bandy my name around on another h read at ease.

Oh and the vulpe username I expected to be picked up on far quicker, it seems there really is an intellectual deficit in the leave crowd.

Keep buggering on red, bear and others, I'm off.

Just saw this on FB - made me lol.

they can't intellectually justify their own arguments so seek to silence those who are a treat.

I can categorically state that I would NEVER seek to silence someone I thought a treat!

Nothing boring about you Red - I like your posts, just haven't always got 3 days leave to read them.

mango I know what you mean but other sub forums are rarely as divisive as this one, infact it's often the opposite, people join a sub forum because they are in a similar situation e.g. are pregnant, getting married whatever.

It's not possible to have such an inane thread on such a serious subject.

My issue is that people regularly discuss the actual subject but don't back up their comments.

That made me laugh too mango

I think these threads are becoming more and more extremist, it really is quite frightening what Leavers are now saying. I think Brexit and now Trump are giving people the confidence to say what they really thought all along.

I've talked about my mum and older family members and their believes over the years, they are all voicing more and more hate filled views as well.
My mum voted out and had she been stopped in the street and interviewed about her views on immigration, it would have all sounded like very reasonable possibility even justified concerns. Now she and other older family members want all foreigners deported, mosques closed down and Islam banned, after all, there are no churches in Saudi Arabia so why should we have mosques here. I don't think she would be be unwilling to share these views on the street anymore and I don't think they are the views of a tiny minority either.

I can see this same creeping confidence in the Brexit supporters on here. Farage wanting to march on the law courts, despite the recent ruling being regarded as correct. Trump saying he would not accept the result if he lost. Trump supporters chanting 'jail Obama' in the same way they chant 'lock her up' about Clinton. Did anyone here what Rees-Mogg had to say about Obama today?

People are not even bothering to hide their hatred anymore. Leave voters, can you not see what you're part of?

vulpe username I expected to be picked up on far quicker, it seems there really is an intellectual deficit in the leave crowd me too, and yes! 😁

fake yes! Leavers either don't care or don't realise how dangerous this is becoming.

Surfer, if I get one read every month, I'm happy. I do need a blog, if I can get my head and act together to work it out.

Yes, I sae what Rees-Mogg, that other man of the people, said today. He really is a moron...

Well if you ever get that blog up & running let me know ok.

there are no churches in Saudi Arabia so why should we have mosques here.

That's been an ongoing thing for as long as I can remember - people have always been open about saying that.
Not my view at all & I've always called people out on that whenever I've heard it.
I'm certainly not the only Leave voter I know that feels the same as me.

Farage wanting to march on the law courts, despite the recent ruling being regarded as correct.

Many Leave voters have no problem with the ruling - they're happy that it's been ruled that parliament is sovereign & bigger than one person.
Regardless, if people disagree & want to march, then that is their right as citizens of a democratic country - exactly the same as the Remain marches.

Trump saying he would not accept the result if he lost.

Exactly what anti-Trump people are doing right now?

Trump supporters chanting 'jail Obama' in the same way they chant 'lock her up' about Clinton.

Anti Trump people burning effigies of Trump and smashing up buildings....

People are not even bothering to hide their hatred anymore. Leave voters, can you not see what you're part of?*

Not in my name.
I voted Leave - that's the only thing I have in common with the people you are speaking of.
And I'm not the only one who feels like that.

Been shouted at rather a lot in absentia . Many thanks to Mango for providing a succinct and accurate interpretation of my earlier posts on Glasgow for the fond of ranting.

I am another fan of Red's sometimes long but often illuminating posts. A couple of points on the Trump effect. The Obamacare program has increased healthcare costs massively for those in middle incomes suffering wage stagnation. Premium increases were announced just before the election and were a single issue vote changer for some. Trump dropping corporate tax rates from 35% to UKish levels of 15% may well have the effect of making it possible for companies like Apple to repatriate billions of dollars parked in Dublin etc and put them to work in the real economy. This is a good thing. The US is a high taxation economy relative to the UK once you account for federal, state, property, sales tax and health. They also routinely discriminate against immigrants in the tax system and this is seen as paying your dues to your adopted country.

I think Red's points on the leafy suburbs are well made. A while back I made the point that the Central London does not in fact support the rest of the UK economy as many infer. However it may well be the case that the leafy suburbs of the Greater London area do. Higher income per head in Central London is matched by high levels of spending on public services and benefits (most notably housing). However Greater London has low levels of spending on public services relative to the rest of the country. - see research from Centreforcities.

(Bear At the risk of being accused of having a doorbell incident you will see that I stepped away from the keyboard at school collection time. Some of us do have more important and entertaining things to do than justify ourselves to bored commuters frustrated at having to hold their wheest in the quiet carriage). In answer to the specific point on the Roma issue in Glasgow and the EU - criminal proceedings to investigate and deport wrongdoers would likely require cross border co-operation with many other EU countries and lengthy appeals to the ECJ. In contrast there is an Australian couple in the Highlands who are about to be deported by TM's immigration restrictions despite working legally, paying taxes and bringing a successful business to Scotland. 1 million plus people in Scotland voted Leave and UKIP have hardly any votes here. The Tories ran an effective campaign of vote Remain to save the Union to secure their 25% share of the electorate. Most of the Leave votes were, I believe, on the Left. Scotland has an underpopulation problem, more affordable housing, relatively better funded public services, is a net recipient of EU funds. There is a strong strand of anti EU feeling within the traditional SNP - if you don't want to be ruled by Westminster then why on Earth would you want to be ruled by the EU? I could of course bore on and on and on but I realise that Scottish politics is a niche subject.

Trump saying he would not accept the result if he lost.
Exactly what anti-Trump people are doing right now?

Just a point on this. To many Americans the Constitution is sacred. Trump has said a lot of things that are against that. Some of the things he says he will do are actually technically unconstitutional. It is therefore a threat to their identity and state. Its something I think Brits really don't fully appreciate what this means and how deep it goes - American patrotism is alien to our thinking and we sometimes find it rather crass.

In addition to this, this year there were a number of states that took action to action to make it harder to vote and this resulted in many being disenfranchised. This was deliberately done to target blacks and Hispanics in particular. I've seen reports today of hundred of thousands being turned away at polling stations that seem to be legitimate.

Underneath this there is already a historical context to certain groups not enjoying the same freedoms and equality than others which has spilled out to the Black Lives Matter movement.

So there is a background to this, and I don't think it should be ignored. Trump's comments about the election being rigged are actually pre-emptive and provocative comments that reflect the reality that many who would vote against him would suffer.

Reading today about how the Trump campaign operated, one of the strategies was to 'suppress the vote' for democrat leaning groups. The idea was to make them feel so disillusioned they did not even try and vote. Thinking about it, Trump shouting about how the election was rigged, might actually be a way of doing that by getting the idea into the heads of the opposition who face difficulty voting to deter them from trying, just as much as it suggested that the system was against his own voters and trying to get their vote out.

It was a psychological strategy used to great effect. He never actually meant it.

howabout, thank you for your reply.

I'm not going to accuse you of doorbell gate- my issue with that particular incident was the poster in question carried on posting but never answered the original question.

I am somewhat baffled by your response though.

Firstly, the Glasgow example you gave was about illegal immigrants by the sound of it (there was no link to any programme) which is why I asked how leaving the EU would help?

Those who arrive illegally aren't going to stop coming once we leave the EU and cross border resolutions of such situations will be harder, not easier if we are no longer in the EU.

Secondly the Australian couple you quoted aren't being deported anymore are they?