What do remainers think of this!

[Corcory]

6 MPs, members of the commons select committee, paid a visit to Sports Direct's warehouse in Derbyshire the other day.
It is build in an ex mining area specifically to provide work for a community badly needing employment opportunities.
When the MPs were shown around the warehouse they had the opportunity to speak to many of the employees there. None of them were British all of them were Eastern European. Some didn't even speak English. So could easily be duped into taking reduced wages and a reduction in their employment rights! No unions are allowed there.
The taxi driver who took the MPs there told them there are never any jobs advertised around here from the warehouse and that people from the area would love jobs there - well provided the paid the proper wages and gave full employment rights!

She probably did, she lived in South Harrow.

Didn't go to a local school I see.

Watford Grammar is the local school if your South Harrow/Ruislip , its a proper grammar and you have to pass to get in.

She is probably on of the haul your self up by the bootstraps type tories, which is what she and her family did, despite being refugees allowed to settle in the country ( the irony).

Lurking - was that coucillor anyone we were likely to know? I have heard comments made about May's unpleasantness when she was a councillor in Merton, some 20 odd years ago now.

Cameron, I think, was a genuine, one nation Tory. His problem was that as an Old Etonian, he was too far removed from ordinary people, to relate to them easily. (I was going to say ordinary people 'like me', and then I realised that as a Remainer, I am apparently one of the wealthy elite.)

Proto Patel Comes across as the worst sort of opportunistic climber I've ever seen. Truly without principles, compassion or even common sense. She went to a grammar school? So did Corbyn... Well I think that puts to bed the argument that grammars are able to identify the brightest and best!

At no point did I ever say that this had anything to do with the EU. What I was saying was that there are seems to be a lot more Eastern European workers in unskilled warehouse type jobs than many of you seem to suggest. And that the local feeling I that you can't get a job there. High unemployment was mentioned by John Mann.
I'm so sorry for bringing up anything that an MP has said, in fact more than one MP has said it and seen it with their own eyes but of course I don't have statistics. Why on earth would their be statistics about something that is uncontrolled? How on earth can their be stats. for something that you can't measure, it's not as if you can ask employers what nationality their workers are can you! I'm not suggesting we do ask employers the nationality of their workers but I really do think this is where the insistence of you all that I prove my assertion with stats. falls down.

She is probably on of the haul your self up by the bootstraps type tories,
This sort can be the worst - they have the zeal of the convert.

Not RTWT but just to say that "not advertised locally" actually means "not in the Derbyshire Times".

peregrina I agree about DC. He totally fucked up with the referendum, but from what I'm seeing, I hope Osborne makes a comeback, it looks he's preparing something. I cannot believe what I'm typing here, I've always thought Cameron and Osborne were loathsome, but TM and co. makes me nostalgic of them!

Watford Grammar is the local school if your South Harrow/Ruislip , its a proper grammar and you have to pass to get in

Take it from me, it's not. Bentley, yes.

At no point did I ever say that this had anything to do with the EU

That's a bit disingenuous, OP, seeing as you titled the thread 'What do remainers think of this!'

At no point did I ever say that this had anything to do with the EU

Er you put it in the EU topic

Corcory, what exactly was your point then? That immigrants of all sorts are exploited? I doubt if any of us would disagree. The way TM is carrying on, we will probably end up with more immigrants but they will be under the radar and thus more open to exploitation.

Lurking - was that coucillor anyone we were likely to know? I have heard comments made about May's unpleasantness when she was a councillor in Merton, some 20 odd years ago now.

I can categorically state it wasn't.

If you don't claim this has anything to do with the EU, why do you want to know what Remainers think about it?

I wanted to know what remainers think because so many of them are always quoting statistics. Saying 'there are no Stats. prove it!'
The point of the thread was that I feel we should not be having all these unskilled workers coming here. We don't need them for warehouse jobs. I really don't think we need FOM. It is simply exploiting poorer workers from other countries.
By the way this article by John Mann was the beginning of Sports Direct being investigated by Parliament.

Lurking, I worked in the area for a while, plenty of kids went to the grammar from Harrow/Ruislip/Pinner.

"What I was saying was that there are seems to be a lot more Eastern European workers in unskilled warehouse type jobs than many of you seem to suggest. And that the local feeling I that you can't get a job there."

Ah so feelings are better than facts? When local unemployment is statistically low and jobs ARE advertised, and its a local jobs agency that provides the work? Its hard for locals to get a job there? Right...

"Why on earth would their be statistics about something that is uncontrolled? "

There's the uncontrolled word again. If they are working for sports direct and other companies we do have a good idea of how many different nationals are working. We have their NI numbers for one, as well as them being registered with Doctors and on the Census. But you keep using that "uncontrolled" word, which you like because it creates the image of the hordes at the gate.

"How on earth can their be stats. for something that you can't measure, it's not as if you can ask employers what nationality their workers are can you!" "I'm not suggesting we do ask employers the nationality of their workers but I really do think this is where the insistence of you all that I prove my assertion with stats. falls down"

This is a cop out,utterly.

To prove how many people are here is the Census, the NI numbers, The border agency etc it so we do have a fairly good idea of how many people are working here from the EU.

Furthermore, it is something you can measure, which is why the LSE, BOE, OUMO, and NEISR have been able to come up with the data that they have.

Your argument utterly fails because you have tried to base it on anecdote, which is obviously impared by the prejudices of those who are telling it, and then saying that using data countering this is flawed because its "unmeasured".

The type of immigration that is unmeasured is the transient type, you known the story you love to tell about the HMOs with 5 to a room, people sending all their money back home and working for cash in had. Well the very small amount of that that goes on ( out of 3 million EU immigrants in the workforce) are not keeping people out jobs at sports direct are they?

Sorry, but your counter argument here is utter rubbish.

I never thought I would want to see Osbourne back either but if he's planning something, I look forward to seeing what it is. May will have made a lot of enemies, when she booted him and the others out of Government. The Tories can be viscious at backstabbing when the knives come out (and make a better job of it than Labour seems to be able to do, with their abortive coup!)

"The point of the thread was that I feel we should not be having all these unskilled workers coming here. We don't need them for warehouse jobs. I

Yet unemployment in Derbyshire is at a record low? So who do you think will be doing the jobs that are going at Sports Direct?

" I really don't think we need FOM. It is simply exploiting poorer workers fr om other countries."

Appeal to emotion there makes your argument invalid. Its not like anyone forces people to come here is it? Isn't that their choie? Like Priti Patel's parents?

I wanted to know what remainers think because so many of them are always quoting statistics.

So you could have started a thread about ANYTHING else that involves, or could involve, statistics. You could have chosen a topic that had nothing to do with the EU.

I really don't think we need FOM. Well, FOM is an EU thing, so clearly your thread IS about the EU.

Sorry OP, I think your squirming a bit now, you did try to make out like EU immigrants in Derbyshire were taking jobs and forcing down conditions, unfortunately all the evidence points to otherswise.

Its a bit sad that you then tried to say anyone asking for evidence is flawed because of the whole "people can see with their own eyes" argument.

I've heard the concern for the poor immigrant before, in real life from leave voters who at other times makes racist jokes (the old fashioned, upper class type), and from posters here who later post xenophobic claims about European attitudes. Sorry, I don't buy it.

Neither do I jaws, I think its fairly condescending.

I live in an area with relatively high youth unemployment, surprisingly high actually considering that it's considered the employment hotspot for the whole region.

We have enormous warehouses all over the place, some of them providing hundreds of low-skilled jobs, in much the same way as Sports Direct do. They're largely staffed by EU workers.

My (British and white) DS applied for a job at one of them (probably the largest of them) through an agency and was accepted straight away. He lasted less than a week because he found the work too hard - long hours of continuous activity. Looking at comments on his FB page many of his friends have had the same sort of experience and now avoid these warehouse jobs whenever possible - leaving them to the EU workers.

So here we are in an employment hotspot with relatively high youth unemployment.

DS eventually got an apprenticeship working at the Job Centre.

Yeah, same people who at other points also claim to have voted Leave out of solidarity with Greece, Italy and Spain. Someone said that to me knowing I am from one of those countries and I told them how condescending it was, but apparently I don't appreciate their genuine concern. Very arrogant and superior.