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"Parliament can think what it likes. It would be hypocritical and undemocratoc."

No it wouldn't in a parliamentary democracy, an advisory referendum, which even Farrage admits it was, Parliament is still sovereign.

"What I wonder, is if Cameron had kept his promise and triggered a50 straight after the election, what would the situation be?"

Legally it would be the same Cameron didn't have the right to do that, and the challenges would have been the same. It would also have been invalid as Art 50 needs the country declaring to have gone through its own constitutional process.

This is not about getting the best deal for Brexit, it's about stopping it altogether. Do you think we're stupid?
They'll do to us exactly what they did to Ireland & any other country that's tried to leave.
The rich & powerful will always crush us, & they've got millions of pathetic little remainers helping them.

The irish deal got reforms before they voted on it again, that's perfectly legitimate.

The rich and powerful point? I really don't think this can be given as a a victory of the poor over the rich at all. Especially looking at those backing the leave campaign and there reasons for it.

To do so in profoundly dishonest.

Further, in a representitive democracy this issue needs further debate, especially as the result was so close.

Use the "will of the people" clap trap all you like, its incorrect and a hyperbolic appeal to emotion.

The rich crushing the poor.
& you're doing their dirty work.
Congratulations - you must feel so proud.

I don't get why it can't go straight to a vote this week:
Uphold the referendum result: yes / no

It's the most obvious course of action.

I'd call it the upholding of democracy and sovereignty.

Will of the people claptrap? Have yourself away there

Hypocritical because their very existence as MPs is predicated on the legitimacy of the majority vote.

To reject the referendum decision would be to deny the legitimacy of the majority vote.

Anti democracy Vulpa: you missed off the anti from your post.

I'd call it the upholding of democracy and sovereignty

Well you would wouldn't you.
17 million people think otherwise.
Not that you give a shit about them or democracy.

The rich & powerful will always crush us, & they've got millions of pathetic little remainers helping them
Do you realise how populist politicians like Farage and Trump are the ones who've come up with this dichotomy, "the people vs the elite"? They are multimillionaires but somehow you place them alongside the "us" and against "the rich and powerful". We (remainers) are not pathetic, or little, and more importantly don't follow or applaud every utterance of rich psychopaths.

WW - they're just a load of foot soldiers for the elite. They'll be on an anti capitalism march next month prentending they hate them.
They must have a headache with all the personalities they've got.

Surfer too right

This is not about getting the best deal for Brexit, it's about stopping it altogether. Do you think we're stupid?
Probably best left unanswered.

The rich & powerful will always crush us, & they've got millions of pathetic little remainers helping them.

Brave brave Boris, defying the rich and powerful for you! Farage and Gove, they had barely two farthings to rub together, but gladly did they give them for the little people! The devastating effects on the least advantaged are what remainers were concerned about - how do you think life in Sunderland and Doncaster and Dover is going to be better when we flounce out of the EU?

MPs are elected as part of a representative democracy, not direct, its why the referendum was advisory.

I think its far more anti democratic to illegally use royal prerogative which you favour. In a representitive democracy it is far more undemocratic to push the vote through parliament without debate, especially when the majority won was so slight.

I think its funny that the right wing press are seeking to bully and put political pressure on the independent judiciary, which is also nondemocratic.

You use emotive hyperbole well though.

Great post Infinite Corbyns latest antics just show his true colours: professional protestor with no actual morals or beliefs

foot soldiers for the elite, you're evidence that ignorance is bliss and always will be....

You think I'm stupid?
Fine, I'd rather be stupid than a back stabbing traitor.

"17 million people think otherwise.
Not that you give a shit about them or democracy."

So what about the 16 million people who voted the other way? What about the fact that we have a representative democracy held in check by an independent judiciary and you seek to subvert both of those things.

As another poster has said, the leave vote was not homogeonous, so even for the leave vote to have democracy work for it properly we need parliamentary scrutiny.

Your elites argument is just Trumpist rubbish btw, laughable.

"back stabbing traitor"

Ahhh, to 48% of the population are traitors now, or how about the leave voters that didn't vote to leave the free market?

They all traitors?

Seek You forgot poor Iain Duncan Smith who lives in a mansion with his wife, who is the daughter of a baronet. Very obviously a man of the people.

I'd rather be stupid than a back stabbing traitor well, not only stupid but dangerous too.

A back stabbing traitor? In what possible way?

If anyone's stabbed anyone in the back, it's the peevish ill-informed leave voters who didn't have the wit to understand that the things they were angry about were the result of Tory austerity, not 'immigration' or 'EU red tape'. They stabbed industry, research, universities, anyone who doesn't look obviously 'English' in the back because they wanted to send a fuck-witted 'message'.

Ah, yes. Those egalitarian freedom fighters, Farage, Trump, IDS, Johnsson, Gove.... all men of the people.

I'd also say that all of this calling for insurrection stuff is very anti democratic too.

This is like the miners strike & you'll forever be known as scabs.

Live with it.