The Brexit Arms goes forth! All welcome. Leavers, Remainers, Couldn't give a Tossers, & openly gay athletes.

[surferjet]

Welcome

Grow up

Sigh thank god for all the lovely people who are right

Scabs. Oookay.

Doesn't matter what they are elected as - it's the fact they're elected by majority vote.

To vote against the referendum decision would be to deny the legitimacy of the majority vote on which our entire democracy is predicated.

I see a lot of remainers have become desperately familiar with Edmund Burke. Without really thinking very hard about the moral authority that underpins the social contract.

Can I just point out, surferjet , that your last 6 posts on here are just insults aimed at Remain voters, which makes a bit of a mockery of the 'all welcome' in the title?

The 52% meanwhile are already laughed at throughout the rest of the world, and will continue to be so.

But they can live with that I guess because who cares about the rest of the world? Engerland! Sovereignty! Control! No more unelected leaders! Money for the NHS! Yay! Roll out the St George's crosses and be proud to be British English the uk I dunno but not an immigrant anyway

This is nothing like the miners strike, which btw, never went to national ballot, so was also undemocratic.

Also this is an anonymous internet forum, no one will be known as anything.

I voted remain but think that we are politically bound to leave. How we leave though wasn't on the ballot, so we have to follow constitutional process.

To do anything less would be undemocratic.

It strikes me that the hyperbole used by a few of you leave voters about democracy ignores this, its also ironic that posters like surfer who have complained about being abused by others are so quick to use incendiary terms.

I see a lot of remainers have become desperately familiar with Edmund Burke. Without really thinking very hard about the moral authority that underpins the social contract.

What the bejesus are you talking about?

"To vote against the referendum decision would be to deny the legitimacy of the majority vote on which our entire democracy is predicated. "

No it wouldn't because our entire democracy is based upon the theory of representative democracy, not direct democracy. This is the reason that the referendum was legally ADVISORY.

But I see that despite the facts you will belligerently keep repeating that untruth.

The frightening thing is this division, patriots vs traitors. As history has shown many times, when things get nasty the "patriots" become informers on the "traitors", while waving their flag and smiling. Chilling.

*The 52% meanwhile are already laughed at throughout the rest of the world, and will continue to be so.

But they can live with that I guess because who cares about the rest of the world? Engerland! Sovereignty! Control! No more unelected leaders! Money for the NHS! Yay! Roll out the St George's crosses and be proud to be British English the uk I dunno but not an immigrant anyway*

Sigh

And the bollocks & shit continues unabated.

Over 17 million people:
Are small minded little-Englanders who can't spell, believed in the £350million, have no clue about what sovereignty or govt is/does, live surrounded by St George cross flags & are dyed in the wool racist xenophobes who cannot abide immigrants.

At least dispense with the passive/aggressive crossings out & own the offensive stereotypical trope that you throw out.

I don't think Mango you can complain about that when the behaviour of your allies on here is almost exactly like that.

I can complain about whatever I want.

Lazy stereotyping is tedious & pathetic.

Well I for one am proud to be a scab/traitor/remoaner or what ever other insult you are prepared to hurl at me.

Unfortunately for all of us though, history will tell a different story.

As an aside, I wonder how TM is getting on in India? Having to agree to a lot more visas for Indian immigrants I would imagine, in order to get a look in with any future trade deals. I for one welcome that, but am not sure you lot will.

Jesus. Which bit of our democracy does not rely on the legitimacy of the majority vote? Repeating 'representative democracy' like a parrot doesn't even begin to address the issue.

Seek: don't be silly there's a dear.

Over 17 million people:
Are small minded little-Englanders who can't spell, believed in the £350million, have no clue about what sovereignty or govt is/does, live surrounded by St George cross flags & are dyed in the wool racist xenophobes who cannot abide immigrants.

That's why the referendum was so depressing ... It's not like this or other threads have been notable for leavers anxiously dissociating themselves from any such sentiments is it? Just going SIGH BINGO I GOT CALLED AN IDIOT AGAIN isn't an argument that's going to impress many.

And they are certainly laughing at us everywhere because of it. Laughing, and taking their business elsewhere. Brexiteers like to think they're on the side of the 'little people': you do know little people are already losing their jobs as a result of what you did, right?

I dont like these threads

They are the same as all the others

Never mind, see some of you around the other threads no doubt

Just going SIGH BINGO I GOT CALLED AN IDIOT AGAIN isn't an argument that's going to impress many.

Well thank goodness I'm not seeking to impress then.

Regardless, as I pointed out in a previous post I've said much, much more than that but (again, as I said before), don't let the truth get in the way of your hyperbolic ramblings and generalisations...

Talking of backstabbing traitors... or are they egalitarian freedom fighters?

Winchester, its you that keep repeating the incorrect points, doing so over and over doesn't make you right. Legitamacy of the majority vote doesn't apply here exactly because we have a representitive democracy.

The reason you won't accept it ( even though its right) is because if you did accept it, you'd have to admit that it is unconstitutional to declare article 50 without a commons vote, and if it goes to the commons then the nature of that vote, and its perameters will be voted on.

BTW if the commons voted as a majority to have yes/no vote, I would accept it.

Mango, yes lazy steroetyping is in not fair, but I think that post was supposed to be semi satire based on some of the posts coming from your side

We have a representative democracy based on a majority vote.

The majority vote comes first. Doesn't it.

Vulpa you mistake me. If there is a constitutional hitch to May triggering Article 50 then by all means rubber stamp the vote in parliament to ensure it has fulfilled the technical requirements.

The majority vote doesn't apply here though, precisely because the act that brought it into being said so, and because we have representitive democracy.

This wasn't an exercise in direct democracy, it might have been portrayed that way, but it wasn't.

A majority IS needed in a general election yes, but after that not. This was not a general election or a binding referendum so therefore the majority rule is not valid here.

As agreed by the courts and will be agreed by the court of appeal.

It needs to be passed through parliament, and in a representative democracy where the vote was so close, and as admitted the factions within the leave vote so diverse, it is imperative that it is debated.

Not ignored, debated and agreements made on further progress.

Going forward without parliamentary approval or debate on how to proceed would be the undemocratic thing.

Parroting representative democracy is the same failure to respond.

The majority vote is the basis for any kind of democracy - even AV.