This is potentially a game-changer!

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Breaking news from the High Court on Article 50: www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/03/parliament-must-trigger-brexit-high-court-rules

The backlash against the judges is quite upsetting. There are detailed personal profiles of the High Court Judges in one of the tabloids . I didn't realise before that populism = No Respect for Rule of Law.

Trump insisting that he WILL throw Clinton in jail, or hinting that his supporters should interpret the 2nd amendment as a way to stop HRC. It's all the same. Take law in your own hands. Bring back hanging. No blacks or Irish. Populism really does = Basket of deplorables.

So lets ignore all this paliamentary democracy rubbish that the remains are hiding behind, today has been about one thing and one thing only, the first perceived step to blocking Brexit happening full stop.

This one sentence crystallises your entire point and stands as an entire explanation for why you're wrong.

Even if it were correct that people were engaging in this action/supporting it purely because they wanted to block Brexit, it is a fact that preventing the executive (in this case not even a fucking elected leader!) from using Royal Prerogative to enact a Brexit that LITERALLY NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON VOTED FOR BECAUSE HARD BREXIT WITH NO PARLIAMENTARY SCRUTINY WAS NOT AN OPTION ON THE BALLOT PAPER) enhances the rule of law and is much, much more democratic than what May was attempting to do previously. You can like this or you can lump it, but it is not a matter of opinion. A leader who nobody voted for doing what nobody voted for without parliamentary scrutiny is many things, but democratic is not one of them. And seriously, if you can calm your tits a minute, if you actually do want to Leave, would you not want to do it legally, properly and by the book? In order to avoid challenges later.

Also, you're making a bit of a tit of yourself with the posho stuff. I'm from a council estate. Unlike most leading Leavers...

no one knows if they will agree

Based on the fact that yesterday's ruling said the government case had failed on a point of constitutional law even before taking into account the claimants case its rather hard to see how the Supreme Court could overturn that fact.

Must say TheWoodlander, if I were a member of May's govt as Davies is, I'd be careful about who I was calling unelected. How many people got to vote on her being PM, couple of hundred?!

Me2017 I'd be interested to hear your views on why you think the SC might not agree with the decision. Personally I couldn't see that it could be legally any other way, though did worry about the possibility of a political decision to deny the appeal rather than a legally correct one, given the current climate. Did you mean you think the govt have a leg to stand on with their appeal, if they pursue it, or were you just saying it's possible they'll win, in a general sense?

Is it for her to dictate what the timetable should be? Shouldn't she be listening to the wishes of Parliament? They might even want her to accelerate the timetable. Would the Leavers be screaming that it's not fair then?

Someone has to drive forward the brexit process, and that person is presumably the PM, so I don't have an issue with May deciding the timetable - although of course she has to work within legal, constitutional and practical constraints.

Of ffs.

Just hold another vote/general election if necessary but get the fuck on with it.

I voted remain but if it comes to another vote I'd vote leave.

It would also stop all this patronising 'oh people were lied to, they didn't know what they were voting for!'

Another vote wouldn't change the constitutional position, I don't think: there would still need to be a vote in parliament.

The House of Lords wouldn't last the night if it went against the electorate.

This is all just dragging out the inevitable. We are still leaving the EU.

I feel a bit sad for remainers who've been given this glimmer of hope.

I feel a bit sad for Leavers who think the parliamentary process is somehow something that can and should be circumvented.

Frantical That just about sums it up.

I feel a bit sad for Leavers who think the parliamentary process is somehow something that can and should be circumvented.

Especially when it was not supposedly about immigration, because they are not racist, but about 'sovereignity'. The judges rule that the normal process should apply and they are up in arms.

It makes me laugh that many remainers threw their toys out of the pram and behaved appallingly towards brexiters. I am also dismayed about how they called us racist and stupid and how we didn't know the facts. Apparently we believed the lies (which I saw through --- I wanted to vote leave nevertheless) but we have been lied to about the EU ever since the Maastricht Treaty.

So many older people voted leave because they remember GB BEFORE the overbearing EU got its claws in.

It's interesting that with this small 'victory' remainers are now gloating. What kind of people are the remainers? I say let them enjoy this glimmer of hope, as that's all it is, a fleeting glimmer.

I say let them enjoy this glimmer of hope, as that's all it is, a fleeting glimmer.

You clearly don't really think that though, as you can't resist playground level shit stirring. You really need to choose either magnanimity or bitchy little digs, you can't have both here.

It's interesting, though, that you describe this victory of parliamentary sovereignty and the rule of law over executive tyranny as 'small'. It rather puts into context the remarks from so many Leavers about 'taking back control'. I mean, you're allowed to not like the decision, but the idea that it isn't incredibly significant is a touch... eccentric, if I'm being kind.

I'm glad too. Let's hope Supreme Court agree with High Court. At least a parliamentary debate should allow for a more considered Brexit than the ' appeal to lowest common denominator' one May was espousing.

This is not a victory for remainers but for the power of the Commons and Parliamentary sovereignty. This has wider implications than just Brexit.

I am a remainer but have been concerned about the abuse of the
HoC by the executive for a long time.

I continue to be puzzeled as to why Brexit supporters are dismayed that the UK Parliament is being asked to scrutinise law in relation to the EU. Isn't that what you wanted?

So you think the SC appeal will win because they'll make a political decision morning, rather than you seeing legal flaws in the decision? I'm just canvassing opinion, my own view beforehand was that legally the government had no leg to stand on, but I didn't dare trust that the decision wouldn't be politicised. I've read a lot of complaints from people who object to the decision but to a one, it's been from people who just don't like it rather than who think it's wrong in law.

I'd be really interested to hear from anyone who thinks it was legally incorrect, as opposed to being something they personally don't like, and the appeal might succeed on that basis.

It's interesting that with this small 'victory' remainers are now gloating.

Because No Leaver Ever said a bunch of stuff like "We won, you lost, get over it, suck it up" and of course that wasn't gloating.

But seriously - we have here enshrined the principle that parliament is sovereign. Everybody should be pleased with that.

"GB BEFORE the overbearing EU got its claws in."

what was so marvelous about 1970, do tell.

Nasty names have been hurled at Remainers, too.

I can only think that May et al. are reluctant to reveal strategy, much less let Parliament scrutinise the strategy, b/c they fear angry & panic reactions (from resident people & businesses) to the details. Keep the peace by keeping things under wraps.

So essentially democracy is brilliant when you get what you want but a distraction and a delay when you don't.

And the referendum was advisory, it was never binding, that's why we need a debate and a vote in Parliament. It's the law.

I'm an older voter. Old enough to have voted last time. I voted Remain. I remember what it was like when the country was 'the sick man of Europe'.

I am tired of Leave voters telling me that no, they weren't racist, it wasn't about immigration. It was for Theresa May, so if it wasn't about immigration but really was about sovereignity or saving the NHS then this judgement should be welcomed by all. TM can't just steamroller ahead guided by her own whims; she must listen to the elected representatives of the people who elected the Government.

Of ffs.
Just hold another vote/general election if necessary but get the fuck on with it.
I voted remain but if it comes to another vote I'd vote leave.
It would also stop all this patronising 'oh people were lied to, they didn't know what they were voting for!'

you would vote leave to 'stop all the patronising'? don't you care about the future of our country?

This is not a victory for remainers

I agree, however many remainers do think it will change the result and overturn it. It won't.

however many remainers do think it will change the result and overturn it. It won't.

It depends what you class as 'the result' doesn't it.

We were asked if we wanted to leave or remain in the EU- the 'result' was leave.

Everything since, all TM's focus on immigration and lack of focus on the economic factors has been her interpretation of 'the result'

Now those terms get to be discussed and debated so actually, I do think the Brexit outcome is going to be very different to where TM was trying to head.