This is potentially a game-changer!

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Breaking news from the High Court on Article 50: www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/03/parliament-must-trigger-brexit-high-court-rules

So there could be a general election called in order to get the majority to get it through I'm guessing. And if a GE was fought mainly on the basis of Brexit not only would the Tories most likely get a huge majority, Labour MPs in places which voted 'Leave' which are normally safe seats could find themselves in danger from the likes of UKIP unless they commit to voting out. I wouldn't celebrate just yet...

Will The parliament of Jim the washing machine salesman be up to the job?

Maybe it's time for a new Cromwell..

I bet there's a lot of MP's who are shitting themselves about the oven load of hot potatoes that has just been flung at them.

This is constitutionally correct and proper. There is no way May has a mandate to irrevocably change the constitution.

Totally agree. It has to go through parliament IMO.

Surely Labour are stuffed?

Good. Then they'll know how we all felt on 24th June

So there could be a general election called in order to get the majority to get it through I'm guessing. And if a GE was fought mainly on the basis of Brexit not only would the Tories most likely get a huge majority, Labour MPs in places which voted 'Leave' which are normally safe seats could find themselves in danger from the likes of UKIP unless they commit to voting out. I wouldn't celebrate just yet

^ this.

It is also being appealed.

Hmm. Don't think we'll hear much from Wee Nicola about Indyref2 now, will we? She'll be desperate for Scotland to have a vote in a GE.

Well, thank fuck for that.

I don't expect them to vote against it, but at least there will be proper scrutiny/debate.

Hmm Bear, my Tory MP represents a firmly Remain constituency but is also firmly supporting Ms May and her Brexit plans. Voting for Brexit will probably cost him his constituency. Do you reckon she will give him a Pass?

There's a muddying of the waters, though - yes, in theory MPs should vote as their constituents voted. But there was a poll by one of the papers in the last few weeks (I thought it was the Telepgraph but I can't find it) asking people if they'd vote the same way if there was a referendum tomorrow, and there was a significant percentage of people who had voted Leave saying they'd vote differently. Certainly a big enough percentage to make the result different. So do MPs vote as their constituents did on the 23rd June, or as they would if there were another referendum tomorrow?

When are the boundaries changing, and could this affect how MPs vote? Not so clear as voting with your constituency if your constituency changes.

Andrewofgg. You're right, of course. Getting over-excited there. I think we can expect them to bat it back a couple of times though and I suppose I am vaguely/vainly hoping that it causes MPs & electorate to reflect enough that we have another vote or a General Election. I know it's a really long shot.

The Lords can add amendments, which could put an end to 'Hard' Brexit.

The Burkeian model of representation States that MPs should vote with their conscience, as they cannot possibly represent the range of opinions held by their constituents.

The appeal will be later this year.
A summary of today's judgment is at [a]www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/summary-r-miller-v-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-the-eu-20161103.pdf[/a]

How many MPs actually know which way their constituents voted, in any case? Ok for the ones in NI or in areas where the parliamentary constituency was the same as the referendum vote district, such as the Isle of Wight. Bit more difficult if you're in the middle of a big conurbation where the only results that were officially published were those for the city as a whole.

it might make it easier for my preferred option (second preference -first is no brexit), that we leave the EU (what we voted for) but stay in the EEA and then in 2020 people can gote in the election as to whether to go for a harder exit.

Not pleased.

The people bringing the challenge are trying to prevent the Government from being able to govern the country.

Like many previous posters, I am just feeling grateful that there's now a chance the issues might receive a proper airing. How will some notorious Brexiters be able to defend some of the lies they told before the referendum?

because

Wrong. The government cannot trigger Article 50 on an advisory referendum without Parliamentary scrutiny. That is Parliament's job. We live in a Parliamentary democracy.

becauseiamabear government isn't sovereign, parliament is.

Why do you want to move the goalposts on sovereignty and unelected representative now?

I'm very surprised (well, not really) to read so many complaints about this somehow being an attempt to annul the vote. Nobody voted for the executive to trigger Article 50 without reference to Parliament. And nobody voted for our democracy to stop being a Parliamentary one either. Neither option was on the ballot paper, contrary to what some appear to believe.

If you choose to vote Leave without anyone having set out any mechanism as to how this might be accomplished, well that's the risk you take. Democracy innit.

Exactly - if any of this means that Gove, Boris et al are called to account for the lies they told then that's great. I think a big part of why so many Remainers have found it so difficult to accept the outcome is that there were just so many lies being told. So many factual inaccuracies or tweaking of the truth - it sticks in the throat. Yes, I can accept the will of the people - but not when they made their decision on the basis of lies they were fed.

This is Parliamentary sovereignty at work, exactly what Brexiteers wanted. Oh...

I'm not against this is if its a device to ensure proper scrutiny of the process. I am absolutely against this if it's a device to subvert the democratic will of the electorate.

I will riot in the streets if necessary - as should all democrats. We really need to think what's a stake here.