This is potentially a game-changer!

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Breaking news from the High Court on Article 50: www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/03/parliament-must-trigger-brexit-high-court-rules

Tucker, I think 'Boaty gate' was indeed a crisis moment in our understanding of democracy.

Just think, if 'they' had been challenged, legally, forcefully, told how bloody dare you u-turn on your commitment, perhaps some may have learnt a lesson that democracy isnt something to be dismissed at will. Would have been a far cheaper legal precedent than we're having to fund now...........

"2: 1 The result of the referendum on the UK’s membership of the European Union will
be final."

But that doesn't say that it will be implemented, it just says the result will be final, which means that they won't be re running it, it doesn't take precedent over the fact that the act that brought about the referendum was advisory.

You are reading, and hanging a lot on that phrase, it doesn't trump the one prior to the act explaining that it is advisory.

"You are reading, and hanging a lot on that phrase"

I am. Absolutely. We agree on that. You say its worthless. I disagree. Can we agree to differ yet?

Well no, because no matter what the phrase AFTER the act was passed says it doesn't matter, does it?

The advisory note prior to the vote stating that it was advisory, and the fact that there is nothing in the bill stating that current constitutional process has been overturned, indicates that I'm right :)

But yes lets disagree. I don't know how to attach pictures but this is basically what is going on in my house right now.

africacheck.org/how-to-fact-check/someone-is-wrong-on-internet/

vulpe, I believe your patience is saint-like

Your link didnt work....but I browsered it....

Nite Vulpe....I wont say a word more on the "advisory" issue once youve gone

Oh believe me Woody its isn't, should have seen me with DD3 this evening.

The internet is far saner than having a 13 year old girl.

Chris, you're still missing the point.

"how bloody dare you u-turn on your commitment" you say?

(I'll borrow a rather disparaging concept from another poster here)

If you vote 'yes' then you can ride on my unicorn

[You vote 'yes']

Shit, I wasn't expecting you to be that stupid. I haven't got a unicorn. You realise they don't exist don't you? You can ride on my Great Dane or my lawnmower if you want.

Tucker, are we talking about Boaty McBoatface here? Youve lost me entirely.

Chris We're only talking you being offered something that the offeror doesn't actually possess.

If I promise to sell you a ton of jewel-encrusted unicorn shit for £100 then what recourse have you got if I can't provide the unicorn shit when you want it?

Tucker, if your refering to the 'advisory' spat, Ive pledged not to say another word. Balls. I said the word.

No, nothing to do with advisory.

If the Government say they will do something but the law says that they can't, whether that's leaving the EU or deporting Ronald McDonald, then they can't.

Are you saying the law says the Government cant issue Art 50? (Not being awkward, just ensuring were both being specific)

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Except in specific cases (which this isn't) the Government don't pass laws, Parliament does. We don't elect a party and they're totally free to do whatever they want for 5 years do we?

I'm beginning to think you're taking the piss now.

Promise, Im not taking the piss, but its just taken a very significant Judgement, in the Miller case, to establish that. On the day DC pledged he was going to issue the A50, the Miller case hadnt happened.

its just taken a very significant Judgement, in the Miller case, to establish that

It hasn't though, it's just your very basic 'law', I think that's the point.

It's not a subject of argument that the Government can't enact a law unless it's legal for them to do so.

The argument was whether it's legal for them to remove 'a right' from us without Parliament approving it. It's not legal.

If nothing in law prohibits it I have the right to walk up Windsor High Street in a pink kilt and orange fishnet stockings, carrying a placard saying "I think Theresa May is the Wicked Witch of the West" . Theresa May might not approve of that but there's fuck all she can do about it unless she's allowed to do it in law.

Um, I think youll find it was the Miller case.

But youve lost me again.

Are you now saying, that Ive disagreed somewhere, that only parliament can approve or repeal laws?

What dragged me into this thread, was the blind arrogant elitist view that the Miller case was a win for democracy. I raved, you know not what you do. The Miller case was the opposite of that.

To anyone, in any doubt whatsoever this morning, I will say the Miller case has just put Donald Trump into the office of President of the USA. The world watched Brexit. The world watched the Miller attempt at frustrating the will of the British people. I think it's fair to say, the title of this thread was indeed 100% accurate, but not for the reasons the remainers were celebrating.

The new US President backs the UKs people's wish to leave the EU. That, is now a world changer. The EU, and its federal states of Europe social engineering programme, is now over. And it's absolutely right that it is. Game changer indeed.

My post , 3/11/2016.

"I will go as far to say, that this action today, (the miller action) here in the UK, will guarantee a Donald Trump Victory in the US. ".

And reiterate my view on that day, shame on the lot of you for supporting it.

You don't think the FBI investigation of Clinton during early voting might have had something to do with it then?

No. This wasn't a vote on personal integrity. It was a vote on political integrity.

I doubt whether Brexit has made much of an impact on the average US voter. I think Trump won on appealing to those in the US that felt disenfranchised by everything that Clinton represents, and I do think the FBI investigation gave him more grist to the mill.

When the Prime Minister, the ultimate representative of the british people, says to his people and the rest of the world, the UK will leave the EU and he will issue article 50 to do so on Friday 24th June 2016, we are absolutely entitled to believe him. Anything less is unacceptable in any way shape or form. The US agree.

Chris I think you're reading far too much into what Billy-Ray from Nowhere Arizona knows/understands/cares about what happens in the UK.

"Chris I think you're reading far too much into what Billy-Ray from Nowhere Arizona knows/understands/cares about what happens in the UK."

Because hes too stupid, racist, and white? Do carry on. I wont be. Its done.