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Do You Think We Should Bring Back The Death Penalty?

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fakenamefornow · 10/10/2016 22:49

I have heard all opinion polls say most people think we should, assuming that's true, do you think we should. Four questions, did you vote leave or remain, do you still think we should leave, do you want the death penalty back and if most people do, do you think we should have it?

I voted remain
I don't think we should leave the EU despite the leave vote.
I don't want a death penalty.
I don't think we should have a death penalty even if that's what most of the electorate do want.

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MangoMoon · 11/10/2016 07:26

Ok, read the thread now.

Surprise, surprise - nasty, xenophobic, militant right wing brexiters not only want to legally sanction murder, but also are incapable of thinking objectively about what democracy is.

Voting to leave a superstate has fuck all to do with supporting murder.
HTH.

smallfox2002 · 11/10/2016 07:31

But there is a correlation found by one survey so it's interesting to see.full it's true.

Hth yourself.

TheExhaustedOne · 11/10/2016 07:32

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smallfox2002 · 11/10/2016 07:41

Also mango as much as you protest that not all brexit voters are nasty xenophobic etc, the only place you have to look is on these threads to see confirmation that they are a significant minority within the vote.

Even those who attempt to justify their opinions in whother what they think is reasonableness fail miserably because they allude to the whole pressure on services reason, which is just not true.

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fakenamefornow · 11/10/2016 09:31

Sorry, worlds worse written op. I'm in bed with cold if that goes towards an excuse. I had four questions.

  1. Did you vote leave or remain?
  2. As leave won, do you think we should leave EU or ignore result?
  3. Do you support the death penalty?
  4. If there was a referendum on this and the vote was in favour of having the death penalty, do you think we should then have one?

I voted remain
I don't think we should leave the EU partly because I think it's just an all round bad idea but partly because I think you need a much bigger public mandate to enact such a drastic and irreversible change on the country. Had the leave vote been bigger, and not just over 50% with a very good chance that if it was run again now, or last year, or next year, the result may have been different, I would probably think we should leave, even though I didn't agree with leaving myself.

  1. Against death penalty.
  2. If there was a public vote for it, god, that's a terrifying thought, I would still think it was something we absolutely must not ever do. I expect I would join protest groups against it and fight to get it abolished again. So, even with a large public mandate, I think we should never have the death penalty and should ignore public wishes on this.

I started the thread because I had heard that opinion polls consistently suggest public support for a death sentence and if people think we should act on the public wishes, well why not this one?

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TolpuddleFarterOATB · 11/10/2016 09:39

I votes leave.
I still think we should leave.
I don't support the death penalty.
I don't think we should have a vote on it.

whathaveiforgottentoday · 11/10/2016 09:43

remain
still remain
No to death penalty and absolutely no to a referendum on the topic.
As a civilised society there is no place for the death penalty.

WrongTrouser · 11/10/2016 09:59

This is from the link gunting posted to.

British Election Study's internet panel survey of 2015-16 asked a sample of over 24,000 individuals about their views on [the death penalty] and whether they would vote to leave the EU. The graph below, restricted to White British respondents, shows almost no statistically significant difference in EU vote intention between rich and poor. By contrast, the probability of voting Brexit rises from around 20% for those most opposed to the death penalty to 70% for those most in favour. Wealthy people who back capital punishment back Brexit. Poor folk who oppose the death penalty support Remain.

I am not sure I am convinced as any studies I have seen show a very strong correlation between income and EU referendum voting. Also refers to voting intention (other polls look at actual voting) and is a wee bit vague about when the study was done. A bit odd.

prettybird · 11/10/2016 10:12

I don't think that the majority of MNers - Remain OR Leave - would support the Death Penalty.

General population, I'm not so sure Sad

Hence why referendums are not always a good idea.

WrongTrouser · 11/10/2016 10:16

From a quick search, the British Election Study is from 2015. I suspect that way back in 2015 before the Great Split, a lot of people wouldn't have offered an opinion on the EU question and if they did, might have changed their mind since. Since the study's figures on the correlation with income completely contradicts all the studies done since the referendum, I would be minded to say "bollocks" to their findings.

Has anyone seen a more recent study linking views on hanging and the EU?

Or shall we just stick with this one, at least it helps stoke a bit more division which is what this country needs?

WrongTrouser · 11/10/2016 10:19

For clarity, the British Election Study seems to ongoing but the hanging/EU finding seems to be from 2015 surveys.

BertrandRussell · 11/10/2016 10:20

I think we live in a representative democracy, and referendums have no place in our system of government.

WrongTrouser · 11/10/2016 10:22

And also, perhaps someone could link to a study showing majority support for hanging. I thought it had recently fallen below 50%.

surferjet · 11/10/2016 10:29

*Today 10:20 BertrandRussell

I think we live in a representative democracy, and referendums have no place in our system of government

So what if the government decided to bring back hanging with absolutely no consultation with the people?

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fakenamefornow · 11/10/2016 10:30

I thought it had recently fallen below 50%

I hope so. I think falling support isn't down to people changing their opinion though, I think it's due to people holding these opinions being older and dying. This isn't based on any study, just my own feelings and observations.

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BertrandRussell · 11/10/2016 10:35

"So what if the government decided to bring back hanging with absolutely no consultation with the people?"

They would only do that if we had voted in a majority of MPs who were in favour. In which case it would represent the will of the people. That's what a representative democracy is.

surferjet · 11/10/2016 10:43

Do people generally know what every MP thinks about the death penalty?
I certainly don't.

BertrandRussell · 11/10/2016 10:45

Don't you? Surely people who are interested in how their country is governed know how their MP would vote on any issue that concerns them?

surferjet · 11/10/2016 10:51

This issue is never really spoken about anymore, so no, I wouldn't know what individual MP's think.

BertrandRussell · 11/10/2016 10:53

If something is important to you, you ask your prospective MPs about it before you vote.

surferjet · 11/10/2016 11:04

So, you're saying that the tories could introduce pretty much anything because they've been handed representative democracy by the people who voted for them? - everyone else just has to suck it up?

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2016 11:09

YES YES YES. BRILLIANT IDEA.

Look how well it works in the USA.

Years and years of expensive appeals and the murder rate there is sky high.

And hell Human Rights Lawyers. They are evil blood suckers. It would be bonus day for them. So we must abolish them by getting rid of human rights. I see no problems here at all.

Fantastic idea. When's the referendum on it so we can all get excited about Peodogeddon happening and those Terrorist Sympathisers who look a lot like all Muslims Asians

Hmm

Reactionary Bigoted Ignorance based on Revenge.

BertrandRussell · 11/10/2016 11:13

"So, you're saying that the tories could introduce pretty much anything because they've been handed representative democracy by the people who voted for them? - everyone else just has to suck it up?"

No. Only if a whip's imposed. Otherwise MPs can theoretically vote according to their own views. MPs on both sides of the house oppose the death penalty.

Snuggleblanket · 11/10/2016 11:14

Bertrand, do you know the answer to this please? Based on referendum outcome, if MPs represent views of constituents, what is the make-up of the HoC?

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2016 11:15

surferjet
So, you're saying that the tories could introduce pretty much anything because they've been handed representative democracy by the people who voted for them? - everyone else just has to suck it up?

Yes, that is the intention of the Great Repeal Bill. It gives power for the executive to repeal law without consulting parliament.

In the same vein the Government have decided that they will not consult parliament over what Brexit means, much to the consternation of many Leavers and/or Tories alike. It is a unilateral decision by the Cabinet to decide the future of this country without consultation using the referendum result as a cover for having a 'mandate' for this. Despite professing that the referendum is about returning sovereignty to our parliament, its actually about returning it to faceless unaccountable Add to bureaucrats in Whitehall to act as they see fit.