Do You Think We Should Bring Back The Death Penalty?

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I have heard all opinion polls say most people think we should, assuming that's true, do you think we should. Four questions, did you vote leave or remain, do you still think we should leave, do you want the death penalty back and if most people do, do you think we should have it?

I voted remain
I don't think we should leave the EU despite the leave vote.
I don't want a death penalty.
I don't think we should have a death penalty even if that's what most of the electorate do want.

I saw a poll after the referendum that said that leave voters were more likely to support the death penalty. Can't remember who did the poll.

I voted remain. I don't think we should leave regardless of the vote. I'm very much against the death penalty.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36803544

Here it is..

So how come people are saying that even if the majority want it, it shouldn't be brought back in, but when the majority wants Brexit, which clearly is to the detriment of most working people here, they mustn't be over-ruled because it's undemocratic?

And yes, I'm a remainer and wouldn't want the death penalty back.

I think that's supposed to be the point Imperial.

The point of what, though?!

I voted leave and would happily see the death penalty back for certain crimes. As mentioned above lee Rigby's killers, not sure how putting them to death would ever result in a miscarriage of justice

no to the death penalty BUT life imprisonment should be exactly that. there till the day they die.

Obviously, when we had a referendum on leaving the EU it's a major democratic mandate and must be acted on immediately.

However, there must not in any circumstances be a referendum on the death penalty because the electorate might possibly vote in what we - the democratic public who voted for Brexit - consider the wrong way.

Do you really not see the, er, irony (to put it in it's most polite term no not hypocrisy at all) in this position?

And the award for 'the most goady post' goes to ......... (drum roll) .......this one!!!! have one of these and a piece of this .

And the award for the person who hasn't actually read the thread goes to...

Me I expect and I read it fully thanks. If you are interested, which I expect your not, I'm a no. Goodnight.

The death penalty has no place in any civilised nation. We are better than that. No matter what we voted o Europe, we're not China, Saudi or the USA, and long may that continue.

So how come people are saying that even if the majority want it, it shouldn't be brought back in, but when the majority wants Brexit, which clearly is to the detriment of most working people here, they mustn't be over-ruled because it's undemocratic?

I think my post may have come across in this way, but for me, the issue is that the referendum has happened. I don't think it should have happened, but it did, and so it's difficult to ignore the result.

If - God forbid - some idiot decided that we should have a referendum on the death penalty, and the country voted in favour of bringing it back, I think it would be difficult to ignore that vote.

If you just want to assess public opinion, you could do an opinion poll, hold done focus groups or whatever. By holding a referendum, I think the government creates a reasonable expectation amongst the electorate that their democratic wishes will be respected. The vote cannot simply be disregarded.

Personally, I can't really think of any situations in which I would want important issues to be decided by a referendum, rather than by elected representatives in parliament. However, if you do go down the referendum route, I don't think you can just ignore it if the public chooses the wrong answer.

I sincerely hope that we never have a referendum about the death penalty. I sincerely wish that we had never had one about our membership of the EU.

What has the death penalty got to do with Brexit?

The U.K. got rid of the death penalty long before we joined the European Union. The last uk hanging was 1964. The abolition of the death penalty would not have happened without public support.

Admitally we were not the first EU country to abolish the death penalty, but weren't the last either. France which was one of the founding members had the death penalty up until 1981 with the last French execution being in 1977.

Even if the death penalty was reintroduced to the uk I doubt that any judge would order it. The fact that many countries have a several years between abolition of the death penalty and the last execution shoes that many judges ignore the death penalty as an option.

I voted Leave
I 100% DO think we should leave the EU.
I do not want the death penalty.
I do not think we should have the death penalty even if that's what most of the electorate want (which I don't believe is the case or ever will be)
I believe the death penalty is abhorrent and it should not be used in a civilised society.

ImperialBlether
So how come people are saying that even if the majority want it, it shouldn't be brought back in, but when the majority wants Brexit, which clearly is to the detriment of most working people here, they mustn't be over-ruled because it's undemocratic?

It's a bit of a silly comparison. Obviously those of us who voted Leave did so because we believe it will clearly ultimately be for the BENEFIT, not DETRIMENT of the people and the country. In addition I don't believe there would ever be a majority who would wish to bring the death penalty back. It's antiquated and barbaric and bears no relation to voting for Brexit.

I voted leave
I think we should leave the EU
I don't want a death penalty
It won't be put to a public vote

It's a stupid comparison. The days of the death penalty there was always a judge who decided the punishment for murder case by case. It would be impractical to have a referendum for every individual murder case.

Lots of countries use referenda to decide laws. I see little evidence that Switzerland is a worse country than the uk.

No. I dont think most people really do want it back... just that the people who want it tend to be the most vocal.

Never.

If there was a referendum on the death penalty, I think the vote would be to bring it back. I'm sure that's what most of the opinion polls have indicated. However, it's very unlikely that there would ever be a referendum on the death penalty, because most of our elected politicians are opposed to it, whereas it's well known that there is lots of popular support - therefore, I don't think that they would trust the general public to make the right decision.

The only reason we had a referendum on Europe was because our elected politicians didn't believe that we'd be stupid enough to vote out.

Errol perhaps another way of putting the question is what exactly a mandate from a majority of the electorate does sanction...

These are curiously unrelated issues.

Al, parts of UK abolished the death penalty in 1969 - 4 years before joining EC in 1973,

And of course some EU countries did not abolish it until some time after their joining. So remainers are presumably much more tolerant of it as they were happy with an EU that dealt with it so much later.

Haven't read rest of thread yet, but answering questions:

Leave
Still leave
No to death penalty
No to referendums on whether murder should be sanctioned by the state.

It won't be put to a public vote, because no-one would be confident of winning and so no-one is going to put a referendum on it into their manifesto.

Because in Britain, referendum results honoured.

And referenda are called only by the elected government. And plans for one on Europe - just like the plans for one in Scotland on independence - were well known at the time of the general elections.

Just like the for a type of PR was in the LibDems, just a bit of a surprise that they ended up in Governmemt.