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to agree with the positive Brexit plan below?!

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MenMust · 29/08/2016 20:27

Having watched a documentary recently about the making of the London Olympics 2012 Opening Ceremony, I was reminded of the sheer skill, innovation and creativity possessed by this nation. This left no doubt in my mind that the UK is completely capable of making a huge success outside the EU.
The first thing the people of the UK need to do is to focus on positive outcomes and opportunities created by the historic decision to leave the EU. Everyone, including those who voted to remain, need to put aside all negativity and differences and anger. Whether you voted to exit or not, it is now going to happen and so all thoughts of doom and disaster are wasted energy and need to be put aside. Pessimism is a self-fulfilling prophesy and if you concentrate on what you think are the negative consequences of Brexit, you will drag the UK down.
Of course there is a risk to exiting the EU. However, there was always a risk to staying in the EU as it is a changing entity. A vote to remain was not a vote for the status quo. The UK will face challenges as it has always done and there will be those who lose out because of Brexit but there will also be those who gain. The EU however also faces an uncertain future. The Euro is in trouble and requires fiscal and budgetary union for any chance of survival. The EU’s economic performance has been poor and its share of world GDP is set to fall. It has failed to keep up with 21st Century globalisation and emerging markets. Further integration is not popular. The EU needs to change radically if it is to survive.
Now the UK has a new PM, Theresa May in place as well as a new Cabinet, the Government needs to appoint the best advisors and negotiators in the land who can help secure the UK the best deal with the EU. The Government should take its time to work out what the best outcome is for the UK before declaring article 50. The UK is in a good position to secure a favourable deal with the EU. We are the biggest importer within the EU and in fact import more from the EU than the USA. It is in the EU’s interest to work with us rather than against us.
The Government needs to ensure that our fishing industry regains rights of fishing areas that it has lost previously under the EU Common Fisheries Policy. EU laws that have had the effect of closing down fishing businesses and communities need to be reviewed.
It is important to remember that, although we have voted to leave the EU, we are still friends with our European neighbours and will continue to maintain a close relationship with them and support them in whatever way we can.
We should now open up to the rest of the world.
Our Government should secure and enhance friendships and relationships with other countries. They need to look at trading partnerships and free trade agreements (FTAs) with all countries we wish to trade with. Australia has already announced it wishes to look at trade deals with the UK. China and India are set to be the future trading powers so we need to start discussions with them. We could possibly forge a link with NAFTA (North American free trade bloc). We should look at our relationship with the Commonwealth and foster trade and agreements with our Commonwealth partners. The EU is the only trading bloc in the world that requires such stringent conditions on its members and this has stifled competition and productivity over a number of years rather than promoting it. We are the sixth largest economy in the world and so other countries will want to do business with us.
Our Government should ease its focus on achieving a balanced budget by 2020. Reducing our debt is still important but should now be done over a longer period and the Government should spend more money on capital projects to help counteract the slowing of growth. It should also look at reducing the tax burden further.
Our police and legal system should stamp down and eradicate racism and racist attacks on our fellow migrants as this is not acceptable. The UK is still a society that welcomes people of all ethnicities, cultures, religions and countries. Racism was not what Brexit was about.
The Government needs to ensure that all project funding commitments by the EU shall be stuck to until we have left the EU. Also, it should ensure that UK organisations and individuals are not discriminated by the EU leading up to our exit.
Once we leave the EU, the Government should commit to funding existing projects previously funded by the EU for at least another three years until it has a department or system in place to make decisions about continuing or ending project funding.
The amount that the UK paid towards the EU budget should be used for capital investment projects within the UK and also for improving and supporting the NHS. The capital projects to improve our infrastructure such as roads will help boost aggregate demand in the UK and help counteract any negative effects on GDP of leaving the EU. The Government should spend money to improve areas of our country that have been neglected or just need fixing.
UK exports will be cheaper due to the reduced value of Sterling. This is an opportunity to promote and increase what we sell to the rest of the world. We must take advantage of this.
UK imports will be more expensive due to the reduced value of Sterling and possible import tariffs. The Government could provide tax breaks to ease the burden on companies that import.
We should focus on buying British goods and supporting our businesses.
We have many of the greatest universities in the world and the Government should invest more via research grants to help boost our universities success even more.
The City of London has great financial institutions and London is one of the world’s top financial centres. It is renowned for its flexibility, resourcefulness, connections, highly skilled workforce, experience. The City with the support of the Government should ensure that it does everything so that it remains one of, if not the most attractive centre for finance in the world.
Finally, we, the UK need to stop underestimating what our country can achieve. Our history has shown what we can do. We still do and will continue to do. We were the pioneers of the industrial revolution. We invented the train, the telephone, the computer, the internet for example. We discovered penicillin, DNA, the laws of gravity. We have Shakepeare, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Darwin, Stephen Hawking, The Beatles, Florence Nightingale, just to name a few! Football, rugby, cricket all came from our country. Our reach and influence is global. We are not a great empire anymore and we have no desire to be but our systems of politics, law, finance are duplicated around the world. So let’s not underestimate ourselves. I have great confidence in our younger generation to continue what previous generations have done. They are bright, intelligent, skilled, energetic, creative. They and older generations have the ability to make a success of our exit from the EU. We all just need to believe in ourselves and remain calm and confident.
We have been in the EU for 43 years, not really a long time in the scheme of things.
So let’s not be afraid and let us take this challenge on and show what we can do!

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MenMust · 01/09/2016 22:36

No, it is not a plan at all, merely some unfounded platitudes to try and make you feel like you've done something other than selling the country up a very famous creek without paddle.

This is a waste of time. Enjoy the rest of your days filled with bitterness about this. It will achieve nothing. Remember 52% voted to leave and respect that. 52% won by the rules of the referendum so get over it and move on. I know it is going to be hard leaving this perfect wonderful flawless organisation called the EU, but what's done is done. When the EU falls apart in a few years time, youll be glad we are out of it.

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smallfox2002 · 01/09/2016 22:41

If the EU falls apart in a few years time we will still be badly effected by it.

Enjoy your unicorn!

Funny that 52% wouldn't have been enough for Farage to shut up now you expect us to.

None of anything you have written stands up to any scrutiny. Nothing what May is doing does either, she's only doing it because its the only way her party will ever shut up, and the only way she can hold power.

You see when you write the tripe like you did above? You don't do leavers defending the intellectual capability of their side any good.

We don't have to shut up because this is a democracy, but you only want democracy when you win.

I feel nothing but contempt for the leave side, you poor duped Turkeys voting for Christmas, oh and xenophobia.

WrongTrouser · 01/09/2016 22:48

and magna-carta-ophiles, don't forget that, and we're all lads.

Really, no-one is saying you need to shut up, but please do stop insulting peole who voted leave. It's pointless and it's offensive.

WrongTrouser · 01/09/2016 22:48

..people too

smallfox2002 · 01/09/2016 22:50

but Magna Carta was wrongly used by the poster who did so on here, held up as a victory for the people against the elites when it was nothing of the sort.

See yet more evidence :)

Namehanger · 01/09/2016 22:50

How can 52% be a mandate?

My leaver friend agreed that :

  • maybe/probably the referendum wasn't a good idea
  • maybe a 50% threshold was insufficient

So, I say not really a mandate.

Then he falls into the c**p that now the decision was made it will be great, even though there is no plan but the government would sort it out and he feels great.

Think what has happened is that a group of people who don't really engage in politics, because it is difficult and boring - found this 'really easy' and made to feel part of a movement that will create change. Doesn't matter what change, but I done it, I was there.

Thanks John. It won't be affecting your pension.

surferjet · 01/09/2016 22:55

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MenMust · 01/09/2016 22:56

I dont expect 48% to continue moaning about it. If you were so right about remaining, you should have argued your case for remaining more effectively at the time. Too late to do it now. So get over it, move on and face the challenge.

The amount of abuse I have taken on this thread doesnt do any good for the remainers defending their intellectual capability.

You say what I have said doesnt stand up to scrutiny. Remind yourself that is your opinion and not fact. Some people will agree with me, others will disagree. that is fine.

the referendum was democracy but now you lost, you dont want the democratic result of the referendum. Democracy and freedom of speech does not mean you can throw abuse at people with differing opinions.

"Duped Turkeys" - That is an insult to the millions of people of this country who had genuine concerns and issues about being in the EU. You should be ashamed.

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GloriaGaynor · 01/09/2016 23:02

Surfer on the basis of this forum I'd say you need an education far more than smallfox would ever need a doctor.

JellyBelli · 01/09/2016 23:03

Will food prices go up once farmers lose their subsisdies? by how much
Sorry I didnt come tound your house to tell you that concern personally before the vote. I didnt have money for a big campoaign. the giovet did and they sent everyone a leaflet, but you didnt believe it, it was all just scaremongering propaganda.
What fact do you know now that would have changed your mind then?

See the problem?

Why is it when you talk you are expressing a concern but when I do I'm moaning about losing?
Why are you blaming Remainers for spoiling the exit? there is no exit plan.
Doesnt that worry you?

Why do you think people are not permitted to be concerned?

GloriaGaynor · 01/09/2016 23:03

If Remain had won I have no illusion that Leave would ever have stopped moaning about Europe. It would have given them licence to moan all the more.

smallfox2002 · 01/09/2016 23:04

I have nothing to be ashamed of, I rather think that Farage, Johnson and the owners of the press who set this course in action have far more to feel guilty about.

How many times do we have to see interviews with people who thought that all the immigratns would go home, or that there would be more money for the NHS, or that there would be more jobs for locals do we have to see for you to admit that the leave campaign was fought using falsehoods and attempts to persuade anyone with a grievance to vote for them?

Duped.

Surfer, lovely to hear from you, tell me about Magna Carta please?

Kaija · 01/09/2016 23:10

MenMust, Brexit hasn't happened yet. We are not even close, Why on earth would anyone stop fighting for the best outcome at this point? Saying "move on" and "get over it" makes no sense, except as a rather embarrassing attempt to shut down those you disagree with rather than engaging with the arguments at hand.

MenMust · 01/09/2016 23:16

I think it insults the intelligence of those who voted to leave by saying they were all duped by Farage and Johnson. Many had made their minds up long before the Referendum because of the genuine concerns and effects of being in the EU had on their lives. Saying they were all duped by some wording on a bus is ridiculous.

anyway, you can moan all you like. It wont change anything now.

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MenMust · 01/09/2016 23:18

But Remainers are not fighting for the best outcome. They continue to moan about something that has happened and isnt going to be changed. Fighting for the best outcome is facing the challenge ahead and discussing what should be done to help out country through this.

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MenMust · 01/09/2016 23:20

Brexit hasnt happened but the Referendum has and it is clear that the leave campaign won and so we are going to leave.

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Kaija · 01/09/2016 23:21

What effect does being in the EU have on your life, MenMust?

cardibach · 01/09/2016 23:24

Maybe that's because we can't see much possibility of a good outcome. The best I can see involves following all the EU rules but from outside, with no influence, and very likely no free access for our banking system either.
Also how can we 'fight' for anything? When A50 is activated, we have 2 years to extricate ourselves. Until then we can't even negotiate, much less fight. What do you think we should be doing?

Corcory · 01/09/2016 23:24

Small - you said at 19.19 tonight 'I'm allowed to complain. You can shut up'
No one EVER told you to 'shut up' you did!
Kaija - 'Brexit hasn't even happened yet. We are not even close. Why on earth would anyone stop fighting for the best outcome at this point?'
That's exactly what leavers are trying to say. It hasn't happened yet we want our best outcome!

LittlePickleHead · 01/09/2016 23:25

I voted remain and read the threads. I post little as don't feel I have much to add.

Suffice to say I'm not "over it" but once we see what the plan is, what the government is aiming for post Brexit, I'll make a call then whether to be positive and get behind it and do my bit yada yada.

Until then it seems a bit pointless asking anyone to be positive as we are all in the dark. It doesn't actually matter now why anyone voted leave and what they hoped for as the government are going to make the decision for us. one thing I am certain of is that whatever decision they make will first and foremost be made with the Tory party in mind, not "the people" (who have spoken).

I'm currently generally trying to get on with life and be positive, but you know, it's pretty hard when we are governed by such a bunch of spineless establishment slime balls.

But yes, I'm hoping I'm wrong and there is an excellent plan they haven't revealed to us. I love this country and want to succeed, so please please please let me be wrong

twofingerstoGideon · 01/09/2016 23:30

ToxicLadybird It needs to go through Parliament because Parliament represents all the people, not just the leavers. All this 'will of the people' shit is doing my head in. The 48% who voted remain are also 'the people', those who didn't or couldn't vote are also 'the people'. The referendum wasn't a winner takes all elimination contest. This brand of democracy where 'the losers' have their voice taken away is no democracy at all.

Thank you for this post. Ths is my view entirely, too.

crossroads3 · 01/09/2016 23:30

anyway, you can moan all you like. It wont change anything now.

A week is a long time in politics so we'll see.

crossroads3 · 01/09/2016 23:33

(And there are powers that be at work even now, which may yet change things in ways none of us could anticipate at this point. May is on thin ice and her house of cards may well come crashing down sooner than we think).

smallfox2002 · 01/09/2016 23:35

Two years is longer.

Tell me how has being in the EU negatively effected your life?

Lots of people dislike being in the EU , especially older ones, because they have a rose tinted pomp and circumstance view of the past and don't really have much of an understanding of how international politics works.

Kaija · 01/09/2016 23:36

I think someone might have posted this article already on this thread, but in case you missed it MenMust, this is for you.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/08/30/the-brexit-censorship-campaign