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to agree with the positive Brexit plan below?!

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MenMust · 29/08/2016 20:27

Having watched a documentary recently about the making of the London Olympics 2012 Opening Ceremony, I was reminded of the sheer skill, innovation and creativity possessed by this nation. This left no doubt in my mind that the UK is completely capable of making a huge success outside the EU.
The first thing the people of the UK need to do is to focus on positive outcomes and opportunities created by the historic decision to leave the EU. Everyone, including those who voted to remain, need to put aside all negativity and differences and anger. Whether you voted to exit or not, it is now going to happen and so all thoughts of doom and disaster are wasted energy and need to be put aside. Pessimism is a self-fulfilling prophesy and if you concentrate on what you think are the negative consequences of Brexit, you will drag the UK down.
Of course there is a risk to exiting the EU. However, there was always a risk to staying in the EU as it is a changing entity. A vote to remain was not a vote for the status quo. The UK will face challenges as it has always done and there will be those who lose out because of Brexit but there will also be those who gain. The EU however also faces an uncertain future. The Euro is in trouble and requires fiscal and budgetary union for any chance of survival. The EU’s economic performance has been poor and its share of world GDP is set to fall. It has failed to keep up with 21st Century globalisation and emerging markets. Further integration is not popular. The EU needs to change radically if it is to survive.
Now the UK has a new PM, Theresa May in place as well as a new Cabinet, the Government needs to appoint the best advisors and negotiators in the land who can help secure the UK the best deal with the EU. The Government should take its time to work out what the best outcome is for the UK before declaring article 50. The UK is in a good position to secure a favourable deal with the EU. We are the biggest importer within the EU and in fact import more from the EU than the USA. It is in the EU’s interest to work with us rather than against us.
The Government needs to ensure that our fishing industry regains rights of fishing areas that it has lost previously under the EU Common Fisheries Policy. EU laws that have had the effect of closing down fishing businesses and communities need to be reviewed.
It is important to remember that, although we have voted to leave the EU, we are still friends with our European neighbours and will continue to maintain a close relationship with them and support them in whatever way we can.
We should now open up to the rest of the world.
Our Government should secure and enhance friendships and relationships with other countries. They need to look at trading partnerships and free trade agreements (FTAs) with all countries we wish to trade with. Australia has already announced it wishes to look at trade deals with the UK. China and India are set to be the future trading powers so we need to start discussions with them. We could possibly forge a link with NAFTA (North American free trade bloc). We should look at our relationship with the Commonwealth and foster trade and agreements with our Commonwealth partners. The EU is the only trading bloc in the world that requires such stringent conditions on its members and this has stifled competition and productivity over a number of years rather than promoting it. We are the sixth largest economy in the world and so other countries will want to do business with us.
Our Government should ease its focus on achieving a balanced budget by 2020. Reducing our debt is still important but should now be done over a longer period and the Government should spend more money on capital projects to help counteract the slowing of growth. It should also look at reducing the tax burden further.
Our police and legal system should stamp down and eradicate racism and racist attacks on our fellow migrants as this is not acceptable. The UK is still a society that welcomes people of all ethnicities, cultures, religions and countries. Racism was not what Brexit was about.
The Government needs to ensure that all project funding commitments by the EU shall be stuck to until we have left the EU. Also, it should ensure that UK organisations and individuals are not discriminated by the EU leading up to our exit.
Once we leave the EU, the Government should commit to funding existing projects previously funded by the EU for at least another three years until it has a department or system in place to make decisions about continuing or ending project funding.
The amount that the UK paid towards the EU budget should be used for capital investment projects within the UK and also for improving and supporting the NHS. The capital projects to improve our infrastructure such as roads will help boost aggregate demand in the UK and help counteract any negative effects on GDP of leaving the EU. The Government should spend money to improve areas of our country that have been neglected or just need fixing.
UK exports will be cheaper due to the reduced value of Sterling. This is an opportunity to promote and increase what we sell to the rest of the world. We must take advantage of this.
UK imports will be more expensive due to the reduced value of Sterling and possible import tariffs. The Government could provide tax breaks to ease the burden on companies that import.
We should focus on buying British goods and supporting our businesses.
We have many of the greatest universities in the world and the Government should invest more via research grants to help boost our universities success even more.
The City of London has great financial institutions and London is one of the world’s top financial centres. It is renowned for its flexibility, resourcefulness, connections, highly skilled workforce, experience. The City with the support of the Government should ensure that it does everything so that it remains one of, if not the most attractive centre for finance in the world.
Finally, we, the UK need to stop underestimating what our country can achieve. Our history has shown what we can do. We still do and will continue to do. We were the pioneers of the industrial revolution. We invented the train, the telephone, the computer, the internet for example. We discovered penicillin, DNA, the laws of gravity. We have Shakepeare, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Darwin, Stephen Hawking, The Beatles, Florence Nightingale, just to name a few! Football, rugby, cricket all came from our country. Our reach and influence is global. We are not a great empire anymore and we have no desire to be but our systems of politics, law, finance are duplicated around the world. So let’s not underestimate ourselves. I have great confidence in our younger generation to continue what previous generations have done. They are bright, intelligent, skilled, energetic, creative. They and older generations have the ability to make a success of our exit from the EU. We all just need to believe in ourselves and remain calm and confident.
We have been in the EU for 43 years, not really a long time in the scheme of things.
So let’s not be afraid and let us take this challenge on and show what we can do!

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IAmNotTheMessiah · 01/09/2016 00:50

I'd just like to highlight a few words from the OP - "We are the sixth largest economy in the world".

If you do a search of the threads from before the referendum, you'll find plenty of merry Brexiteers telling us how the world will be flocking to trade with us because we were the 5th largest economy in the world. So we haven't even left yet, and already we're on the slippery slope.

That's positive, isn't it OP Hmm

smallfox2002 · 01/09/2016 03:42

Oh well, today we find that yes Brexit was all about immigration, as Theresa May has set out her stall and said that there will be no negotiation regarding controls.

It certainly wasn't about sovereignty because Parliament isn't going to get to vote and the Scottish Parliament isn't going to have an input.

She's grabbing the chance and running with it, mainly in order to win popularity.

See, two days running I'm proved right. The referendum was about immigration, and it was voted for overwhelmingly by the disenfranchised and poor in areas of low skills and weak economic activity.

Its great to be vindicated, yet again.

TheForeignOffice · 01/09/2016 05:48

Anyone who is under the wrong impression that TM values individual voice & liberty, and extrapolating that, true democracy within the context of a sovereign state....would be well advised to read draft #1 of her Snoopers Charter which contained an astonishingly arrogant clause allowing it to expand scope without limits and without parliamentary approval. It was obviously rejected. She's laughing now, I bet.

fruitboxjury · 01/09/2016 05:57

OP the last line of your post didn't upload properly so let me help:

#blessed #posifrickintivity #somuchgratitude #loveallaround

Disney movies have a lot to answer for, but at least there's more substance to their plot than there is to your "plan".

fruitboxjury · 01/09/2016 06:06

I wonder if the focus of the post referendum debate would be different had our PM come from another dept, eg chancellor / business / trade etc. TM clearly has a personal agenda from HO role which aligns with Brexit aims, I fear this will dominate at expense of economy and FS outcomes.

Helmet I agree that many seem to wish hardship on fs industry and workers as some kind of recompense, ignorant to the fact that it will be the greater population who will suffer the most when our gdp collapses and our top industry and personnel move overseas.

We are in FS and will be leaving the country if our jobs move and taking our taxes, NI contributions (along with private healthcare and school fees meaning we don't use our state provision either) with us, no question about it.

WrongTrouser · 01/09/2016 08:03

Are any of the remain posters who have been telling leave voters they were stupid if they thought voting leave would result in controls on EU immigration prepared to admit that at least on this point, they might have been wrong?

fruitboxjury · 01/09/2016 08:08

wrongtrouser I think it's quite obvious that TM is simply responding to EU rhetoric about free movement of people being essential for access to single market.

The point of this thread is that there is still no plan and no one has any clear direction on where Brexit is actually going. That hasn't changed as far as I can see.

It's hardly a good negotiation move to concede one of your key objectives at the the first discussion is it?

So nope, no concessions from me either Grin .

Peregrina · 01/09/2016 08:15

Controlling Immigration is one area where Theresa May has been spectacularly unsuccessful, so far. Why do we assume that she will have any more luck in future?

fruitboxjury · 01/09/2016 08:16

If we could perhaps try to limit point scoring amongst ourselves as well that would be nice and positive, although I accept that points won and conceded are not an insignificant component negotiations

crossroads3 · 01/09/2016 08:17

Not very articulate or eloquent but can I just say that I hate Theresa May Angry.

TheForeignOffice · 01/09/2016 08:23

peregrina's words ring horribly true.

The former minister responsible for immigration gets promoted to PM with a remit primarily dictated by a vote fuelled significantly by anger regarding her failed track record on immigration management versus promised figures and basic responsibilities of UK border agency to track illegal entrants / overstays.

First major international fight with France who want UK to "take back control of the UK border". She doesn't want that, apparently.

It's got to be a crazy sitcom, right?

crossroads3 · 01/09/2016 08:23

And "a deal which includes free movement for services and trade but not people" - I think they (the current unrepresentative government with the unelected Thatcher mark 2 in charge) are small minded country wreckers. It's not only the country of the Tory party, and I bloody hope all possible forms of opposition in Parliament start to get their act together. All this talk of Parliament not getting a say is beginning to make it sound like a dictatorship.

Peregrina · 01/09/2016 08:34

I am baffled as to why the Tory party are doing well in the polls, currently. Is it just because Labour is in such a mess?

WrongTrouser · 01/09/2016 08:35

I am really not trying to point score. I am trying to say it would be refreshing on these threads if some of the more dogmatic remain posters would acknowledge that they are not all-knowing, that the future is unknown (as it would have been if we had voted to stay in the EU) and would acknowledge that many leave voters are just as intelligent as them but have different views.

surferjet · 01/09/2016 08:46

It would be refreshing to hear from a few new remain posters quite honestly. the four or five who dominate this board are so obsessed with being 'right' they've become beyond boring. Let's hear from a few others < pleads >

53rdAndBird · 01/09/2016 08:48

What is it you'd like to hear, surferjet?

Kaija · 01/09/2016 08:59

Wrong trouser, it's not that freedom of movement will remain under any circumstances, rather that free movement will remain if we want to avoid economic collapse in the UK.

Not so long ago Teresa May pledged to keep full access of the single market. For whatever reason, she now seems to be suggesting the opposite.

The (rash) assumption some remainers were making was that, having shot ourselves in the foot, we wouldn't then be seeking to douse it in petrol and light the match.

surferjet · 01/09/2016 09:02

I don't know, Just different views/opinions? I know 99% of MN have this board hidden so it's obviously not going to be busy, but it would be nice to have a bit more variety.
Do any remainers now feel Brexit is a good thing? - there must be other opinions than the ones we get over & over again on here.

Peregrina · 01/09/2016 09:03

I think the Tory manifesto talked about supporting the single market - i.e. typical undefined manifesto type promises, which all parties make, which don't really stand up under further scrutiny. The lack of precision makes them easy to go back on. TM does now seem to be blatantly going against the manifesto.

tiggytape · 01/09/2016 09:04

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crossroads3 · 01/09/2016 09:12

Not sure why remainers would at this point think that Brexit is a good thing, which would kind of make them leavers in any case.

JellyBelli · 01/09/2016 09:18

I voted Remain. I cannot support Brexit now as it changes from one day to the next.

If the official Brexiters dont know what Brexit means its farcical to suggest tthey could have turned anyone into a supporter.

How could anyone vote for something so vague that it cant be defined, that will have such serious consequences?
Why should I just slap on a cheery smile and pretend everything is ok, and how will that save the economy exactly?

Peregrina · 01/09/2016 09:22

Since TM seems now to be focusing on curbing Immigration, it makes me feel that she is kowtowing to the racists and bigots, so if that really is Brexit, then no.

Nightofthetentacle · 01/09/2016 09:22

Dunno if I can help Surfer, I've been away from these boards as (wonderful as they are) as I'd some big deadlines.

I voted Remain. I think "Brexit" is a terrible idea, and altho I am no longer waking each morning with an anxious pit in my stomach, i am even more fearful of what's ahead, as there is no plan, no consensus amongst leave voters, not even a wish list. To be clear, I expect all of the Brexit options (from economic suicide to an eventual change of mind) will have a material negative impact on my life and my livelihood.

I thought Theresa May knew was going to deliver something "least worst" of all the options, I am not sure now. It is not a cheery outlook - but it would be improved by some clarity over practical outcomes that people want from leaving the EU.

Also, seeing things in the OP like "EU laws that have had the effect of closing down fishing businesses and communities need to be reviewed." just makes me realise there are still people absorbing and spouting propaganda, and that's just bloody dispiriting.

I've made meself sad now. Must have a coffee.

Helmetbymidnight · 01/09/2016 09:30

Mm, well I'd like to hear from leavers with some realistic ideas about how to proceed rather than loads of airy fairy phrases.

I doubt that's going to happen.