Sarkozy demands border shifted to Britain

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/28/nicolas-sarkozy-demands-border-controls-for-thousands-of-migrant/

...but, if many of the migrants don't have a passport, how will they be allowed to Britain anyway? And presumably they would need a ticket for the ferry or the train.

Up to France, not to some person who was once in politics in France, did everything to hide his corruption and illegal financing, including starting a war in another country......so yes, imvho, he can fuck off.

Yeah, except that Sarkozy could conceivably be president again by this time next year, so then it would be up to him. And Hollande (who admittedly won't be president this time next year) was saying the same thing before the referendum.

So really it is up to whoever the French people vote into power to decide whether they want to continue to have UK border checks on French soil or not. Surely you must approve of that, being such a big fan of democracy and all?

I could see the situation getting particularly ugly, if the Calais camp was relocated to the Kent coast. This is after all an area where UKIP has been strong. I know that Farage's stated aim had been to take the UK out of the EU, but it's become clear that underneath this, he is a racist bigot, and his party has now become home for those of like mind.

I know this is very wrong of me, but part of me would feel a bit of schadenfreude to see the Calais jungle relocated to UKIP-country.

I feel the same LoveInTokyo. I'd be sorely tempted to remind them how they voted, and tell them that they have to take the rough with the smooth, and suck it up. It's not a noble sentiment though, so I would try to rise above it.

I'd like to see your face if the Calais jungle was relocated next to your house.

Here's hoping

Yup - the only Leave voter I met was doing so because her "daughter lives in Kent and there are too many migrants and refugees () there which is all the EU's fault"

Pre Brexit I listened to an interesting article with a group of long distance Lorry drivers who regularly used the Dover/Calais crossing. They were all pro Brexit EXCEPT they all agreed that they would vote stay purely because since the border was in Calais and an exclusion zone had been set up they were experiencing far less trouble with illegal immigrant trying to hijack their lorries. They said that if the border was moved back to England things would become much harder for them.

Ah well, as you say, surfer, I can always move to France...

Yeah - & you probably would if they dumped the jungle next to YOU.

#NIMBY

surfer, my DP and I will do what is best for us and our future.

That's why I voted remain, because staying in the EU was clearly the better option for the UK. Even in the couple of months since the vote, it's becoming increasingly clear to me that unless Theresa May finds some incredibly clever way of avoiding Brexit, this country no longer has a bright future.

Before the vote, my DP and I were planning a future together here in the UK and I was looking at buying a house. Now my house buying plans are on hold and I'm looking at employment opportunities in his country.

Lots of my friends are also looking at their options abroad, and those who are eligible are applying for second passports.

Do you know what a brain drain is?

Surferjet, I think that is LoveIn's point.

and those who are eligible are applying for second passports., which as reported on other EU Ref threads is exactly what Farage is apparently doing for his kids. All "Leave" voters are following Farage's leadership example, I hope. Don't want to screw your kids over, right?

But seriously, who genuinely didn't understand that "Let's take back control of our borders" meant actually taking control and responsibility for the UK border?

Why on earth would it be acceptable or appropriate to delegate that core campaign point to another country, especially one in the EU?

I'm encouraging my two to build their careers overseas - they don't need much persuading actually - the eldest - 19 - could not believe the outcome, and what it says - and is widely perceived to say - about this country. Among her peer group, (all of whom voted, before anyone blames them!), voting to leave the EU would have been inconceivable.

I would leave if I was younger - I worked overseas for 12 years before having DCs. But I no longer have the right skills sadly.

Lots of my friends are also looking at their options abroad, and those who are eligible are applying for second passports

Great. I wish you all the very best.
( we won't die without you )

I am working to get the right skills to move abroad, but it's a big pain. I'm only qualified to practise my profession in this country, so moving abroad will mean potentially having to take more exams and get used to working in my second language.

But there are lots of people who voted remain for whom moving abroad just isn't a viable option.

Yeah ok, surfer.

When people like my highly-educated, higher rate taxpaying friends have gone off to get jobs abroad, and when some of our employers have moved their offices to Dublin or Paris or Frankfurt, and when lots of our highly skilled immigrants have decided to move back home because the opportunities are no longer better for them here (or their being subjected to xenophobic abuse), I'm sure UK Plc will do much better.

All those people in places like Sunderland and Ebbw Vale who are currently unemployed or on a zero hours contract or earning minimum wage will suddenly get amazingly well-paid jobs and be able to afford to buy nice houses, and there will be lots of money to fund the NHS.

Because that's how the economy works.

*they're

I'll join you in that surfer

*LoveInTokyo

being such a big fan of democracy and all?*

I actually am a fan of democracy and accept the referendum outcome while trying not to act like a spoilt child throwing my rattle out of the pram.

I may be new to the forum, I may live in a foreign country, I may not have voted in the referendum (not by choice) but the only words that I feel I need to say to you at the moment are cool yer jets .

If you don't like how democracy works (re referendum and it's outcome) then please stop trying to start a bunfight with people you actually know SFA about....................

Amalfimamma

I was merely pointing out the irony of a Brexit voter questioning France's right to control its own borders in the way it sees fit.

Being such a big fan of democracy, surely you appreciate that it is for French voters next May to decide whether Sarkozy should crawl back under the rock he came from, not you?

And if he gets re-elected and decides he no longer wants the UK to conduct border controls in France, presumably you will accept that as a legitimate outcome of the French democratic process?

Sorry - Brexit supporter, not voter.

Lovein's point is totally valid, surely Brexiters must see that the "control" issue that you all voted for applies to other countries too. Other countries who might not feel as generous to us these days?

But as I've said, democracy, sovereignty and control only apply when brexiters want them to.

LoveInTokyo

Brexit supporter. I suppose you're saying I'm the Brexit supporter seeing as your main beef is with me.

Funny, I never said if I supported leave or remain, you know the saying about not assuming don't you?

I feel you are foaming at the mouth by some people having the gall to answer you with the same arrogance that you post in your comments, ah well I just behave according to who or what I have in front of me..........

France, the UK, bloody timbucktu can conduct border patrols as and how they deem fit. Unless there is a binding legal, international document telling them what is expected, as in this case. And seeing as over 90% of those who arrive in the EU are not refugees but ecomonic migrants looking for an easy way into not only the UK but the EU as a whole I'd say that a lot more border controls should be taking place and that an international taxi service should not be made available to those who are looking to enter any country illegaly.

You see, I love my democracy but I also love legality. That is why I accept the outcome of said referendum

Unless there is a binding legal, international document telling them what is expected, as in this case.

But if the French decide that they no longer want to be a party to that agreement, presumably you would support their right, as a sovereign country, to terminate it?

Technically Sarkozy isn't standing for president (yet), he's standing in the primary that will select the right wing presidential candidate. He's currently behind Juppé in the polls.

But there is a good chance that at least two of the main presidential candidates will include moving the border to Dover in their manifestos, as Le Pen and also some of the potential centre/ left candidates are also in favour of this (eg Macron). So depending on who gets through to the second round, it may be a done deal even before the election is decided. Personally I think it is now probable rather than just possible that the border will move to Dover.

It's an interesting question as to what will happen about passport controls at the ferry ports. I know that airlines are responsible if they carry passengers who do not have the right to enter the UK, but I don't know if this applies to ferry operators. Pushing responsibility onto the ferry operators would be costly and would certainly have an impact on their business model.