to ask has your life changed since brexit ?

[mrsfuzzy]

seems months ago since it all kicked off but only a few weeks in reality, wider society aside, has brexit changed your life a/ perhaps you've moved/in process of, changed work etc. for us nothing has changed but i'm interested in other mners [don't want to cause a punch up over the remains and leaves - that's been, gone and tired].

My husband is changing roles with his employer, so we have to move 150 miles soon (this change pre-dated the referendum).

Now selling our flat looks like it will be a challenge. Luckily his employer are going to support us in the move by paying rent/council tax on a place for 12 months, so we have some breathing space.

Prices are also likely to fall more where we are going the where we are from, but still, it's pretty worrying.

Here're my anecdata:
Pretty much every (non UK) EU national I work with or am friends with is frightened for their future and actively considering moving to mainland EU.
Been told to go back to my country by someone on the internet.
In my work, we've had to (and will continue to) do some contingency planning should getting skilled people to work for us and getting funding prove difficult. FWIW I predict these activities are certain to become more difficult.
Holiday next week is more expensive.

Have shed not a few tears. Am pondering what to do next: I feel like I need to do something to stop us lurching further into the clutches of A Banks & Co, and prevent the breakup of the union, and create opportunities for people who clearly feel they have none, and...

So far no change for me, I work in localisation, mainly employing people from EU countries and the work keeps coming. The main clients are chiefly American household names though.
I live in a hugely diverse area, have 7 Polish families as near neighbours, always been pleasant but since the vote we have all made more effort to really chat and do favours (water plants/feed cats, that kind of thing) I really haven't heard of any racism in the area and I know everybody
House prices continue to rise here, heading for London outskirts prices and the huge infrastructure plans that are costing 1BN or thereabouts are still going ahead.
All I can do is make hay while the sun shines, save as much as possible and hope for the best.
It is awful to read some people have been so badly affected. There is one family member who has shown her true colours regarding other nationalities and races and she will never set foot in my house again. She has never worked or held a passport and has had a 'small' life (no experiences) and she disgusts me, she is truly stupid.

have to admit I'm having trouble following the logic that the best way to combat racist attitudes is to NOT call them out.

I agree completely. This is why I have always had an issue when people claim to be "colour blind". So by not acknowledging racism that gets rid of it? No. All that does is a) make white (and in this case, white British) people get all hot and bothered when they see or hear about racism and b) give racists opportunities to hide their views until they're amongst their own.

it's presumably somewhere in that carefully crafted Brexit Plan.

Now that's funny!

Direct effect so far is I was saddened to discover two Facebook friends have surprisingly xenophobic views (sharing memes of the fuck off home variety!). I guess it's better to know who people really are - I thought they were both nice people.

I would anticipate my DHs business being directly effected soon. With the pound being weak his suppliers costs will go up and he will either have to increase prices or take a hit. The high street here is already packed with pound and bargain shops so I don't know that locals would pay more for non essentials (he sells handbags). He does do a little trade on Amazon with Europe so in the short term the weak pound might help that but if trade tariffs were imposed post Brexit that would probably disappear.

My stocks and shares ISA has increased by almost £1k :) :) :)

I was up for two job interviews. Both were cancelled, no longer hiring.

My SIPP went up a bit.

Glad to be holidaying in the UK this summer.

Hi Bertrand

Sorry for the late response. Holidays ..

No their experiences never mattered to the remainers. So leavers are doing to remainers exactly what was done to them prior to the election. When nobody would listen to their anecdotes because it wasn't data. Now suddenly the remainers anecdotes matter. No. Sorry.

Holidays aren't anecdotes though. If holidaying abroad becomes more expensive people stop booking and travel agents, airports, airlines etc are affected and this hits the economy. Would be great if Brexiters could see the bigger picture. Just once.

I don't think Ja meant that- I think she meant she was on holiday!

Fair enough. But I would have thought that there would be at least a few anecdotes about how things are improving post vote. There are plenty of anecdotes and hard facts about bad stuff- is there nothing to counter it? Nothing at all?

There is some good anecdotal stuff Bertrand, because devaluing the currency is always good news in the short term if you're incurring your expenses in sterling and getting your income in dollars or yuan or yen - as long as the people you're selling to aren't put off by the Brexit uncertainty. In the medium term though the increased cost of imports normally evens things out.

Yes. Kids are on holiday.

I don't think leavers will say anything much based on their previous experiences if being called names for having an opinion. But I think it's way to early to say anything was caused by Brexit and what was caused by knee-jerk reactions to the scaremongering. I don't think Brexit is the perfect world either by the way. I also think a lot of companies will take advantage of any uncertainty to unpopular decision and blame it on Brexit. So I think only time will tell.

Umm wasn't talking about holidays but actually the bigger picture is that more people would holiday in the UK. Which would be awesome for the British people. The man in the street. The small business owner. The person we SHOULD be supporting. Maybe not good for multinational corporations ... Like airlines and travel companies. Some of us think that the guy in Wales with a campsite IS more important and IS better for the people than the big corporations.

Normally when a Tory Government gets in the Stock Market does well. By the same token, if the case for Leave was so persuasive, this should have had the same effect on the Stock Market. It hasn't, why?

• To make unpopular decisions

We're planning on relocating to the Netherlands. I've applied for an internal transfer and DH has several job interviews lined up. We're hoping to move early 2017. I don't feel wanted here anymore.

Ja I agree about some people using Brexit as an excuse. I also believe that some the undertainty on an economic pov was there before Brexit. I was personally expecting some economic downturn anyway :(

I have an issue about 'knee jerk reactions though'. People are scarred. I know I am because I have no idea what the future will hold. So it's not that much about knee jerk reactions but about looking at what would be the worst possible outcome to be able to protect myself and my family if things were really going badly.
Hence all the paperwork for a permanent residence card and looking at going and live somehwre else. I might never need the first one, who knows but it won't hurt to do it. We might never emigrate but if we do need to, we'll have done our homework iyswim.
I think a lot of people are in that space atm. Looking at the worst case scenario and planning for it, be it redundancy because of lost contracts, effects on pensions etc etc...

I find the argument that a lot of this is just anecdotal and that remainers have to just suck it up to be extremely childish. We should not make political decision based on you didn't listen to me, so I am not listening to you - the rhetorical territory of 5 year olds (though I feel this about our politicians as well!).

Regardless of your views, Brexit has already made the UK extremely unstable. This is not something to be whiny about. It's not anecdotal. It is fact. Whether it proves to be better long term remains to be seen. For many of us it may never be seen.

multinational corporations ... Like airlines and travel companies. Some of us think that the guy in Wales with a campsite IS more important and IS better for the people than the big corporations.

Multi national companies that employ tens of thousands of British workers? I'd love to see Brits give up their love of Spanish holidays, Nike trainers and ipods but it isn't going to happen. We've been allowing globalisation and capitalism to gobble up British firms for decades (see Cadburys as a recent example).

Uni, DH works in an industry. They are exporting, sometimes prices are in Euros or in dollar. So yes the pound going down is 'good' for them.
But then they also have to buy a lot of parts, raw materials etc... which are mostly coming from abroad (china, europe etc..) and then the prices have gone up.
Knowing whether it will have a positive or negative impact for his company is impossible to know just right now (due to stocks and so on) and will depend a lot of the % of the price of the sold product attributed to the work done here. If the price is mainly the initial cost of parts they bought/raw material and a small % is the cost of the work done here, the impact will be negative (Which is probably a big part of manufacturing). If the % is mainly work done but little from raw material/parts (that's what happens with highly technical stuff) then the impact will be more positive I imagine.

Maybe that means that it's the industry that will be hit more rather than services/highly technical jobs. Again.

It's two completely different things.

The Tories, much like labour, and most politicians around the world are buddies with rich shareholders and mostly went to Eton etc. together and they support each other. Very few Polititians stay true to their cause. They toe the party line. They stand for big business and the economy. They protect business/corporations to the detriment of the masses and are all very Londoncentric.

The leave voters, 52% if the general population, mainly outside of London, have no impact on the stock exchange as individuals. They can't guarantee anything to any one or any business. They are powerless in reality.

So for the first time in a long time, big business might not be the ones protected, things may not go their way, someone else got to have a say and they are worried, that is not how it is meant to be. Polititians are meant to pander to big business and the man in the street normally has a choice between two nearly identical parties to choose from and no power to change anything in real terms. Nothing was going to rock their boat. Then the people got a say and threw a spanner in the works. Hence the stock market.

I know it's really hard for remainers to understand why leave voters didn't base their vote on whether big business would be happy. They based it on whether the man in the street would be happy. Whether they would be happier and better off.

Mammoth. I am not talking about individuals 're knee jerk reactions. I mean big companies that start letting people go now. With no idea of what the future holds.

I understand why individuals would make such decisions. I think that is different and I totally understand. Sorry for not making my point clear.

Nothing was going to rock their boat. Then the people got a say and threw a spanner in the works. Hence the stock market.

The stock market that affects pension values? The value of businesses employing British workers, possibly some Brexiters? Brexiters have pensions? And the other knock on effects - negative equity in homes, fewer jobs? And the EU money for British infrastructure and job creation? Never benefited Brexiters?

Brexiters have thrown the baby out with the bathwater.