to ask has your life changed since brexit ?

[mrsfuzzy]

seems months ago since it all kicked off but only a few weeks in reality, wider society aside, has brexit changed your life a/ perhaps you've moved/in process of, changed work etc. for us nothing has changed but i'm interested in other mners [don't want to cause a punch up over the remains and leaves - that's been, gone and tired].

Whether they would be happier and better off.

Are Leave people happier and better off? Are all the reports of interviews cancelled, job offers withdrawn, contracts lost, racist abuse etc. - are all these only happening to the Remain voters?

It's not the leavers who are saying we'll never be able to holiday in Europe. That's the remainers scaremongering. I didn't even bring up the holidays

What on earth do Nike and iPods have to do with anything? Do you honestly believe, really really believe, that you won't be able to get Nike and iPods outside of the EU. No.... This cannot be... You have got to be shitting me.

But back to the holiday issue. Easyjet etc. are not exactly good for the environment, the same environment the remainers want the EU to save with their climate change policies while flying around on cheap holidays all over Europe (never mind we're talking about an EU were once a month they move everybody to Strasbourg for 4 days. I understand the environment seems to be a major concern of theirs ))

Oh well if we've let up happen up till now let's just carry on regardless.

I know the British public are loving the fact that Cadburys was sold and who it was sold to. Palm Oil anyone? Rain forest destruction anyone? But let's just carry on because we've always done this.... Really?

oh strange didn't recall Gove, Johnson, Farage having much environmental concerns during the referendum. Didn't realise Brexit was a Greenpeace initiative.

European colleagues asking members of my team to withdraw from research grant applications as they are seen as a liability. University panicking about losing income from EU students when already in financial difficulty. Administrators told they are going to lose their jobs as a preemptive cost-cutting strike. Peachy.

"The leave voters, 52% if the general population, "

Sorry to be picky, but it wasn't 52%!of the general population- it was 38% of the general population.

" They based it on whether the man in the street would be happy. Whether they would be happier and better off."

And is the man in the street happier or better off now? If not, when might he be?

This thread makes for very unpleasant reading.
Brexit is being blamed a lot. But it's not brexits fault.

The boss who stopped the tea and coffee because of the brexit uncertainty? Are we really going to blame brexit for that. Surely brexit has just 'highlighted' the fact that the man is an idiot.

People who are horrible to immigrants, spat at them, called them names? How is that brexits fault? Presumably that IS how those people feel. They felt it before. Is it that you just didn't realise?

Who didn't realise how these people felt? I knew. I knew that people felt this way. Sad that it is. Why is it such a surprise to you all?

At work we are much quieter. But to be fair, it's almost August and we are dead quiet then. We can certainly feel the uncertainty. Big contracts of £1/2 million have been put on hold, because 'everyone is just waiting to see'.

What on earth do Nike and iPods have to do with anything? Do you honestly believe, really really believe, that you won't be able to get Nike and iPods outside of the EU. No.... This cannot be... You have got to be shitting me

God, the blatant misrepresentation of what other people have said on this issue is wearying.

The poster was listing 'foreign' products - imports - that they feel people are unlikely to give ups in favour of British-made or -owned alternatives. It was pretty clear. There was no way you could draw the interpretation you've arrived at from that post. At all.

Oblomov I don't think it's Brexit that is at the orgin of the rise of xenophobia/racism either. I think it's the campaign.
And I believe you are right. These feelings have always been there. At least, that has been my feeling as a 'foreigner'. This is what I heard. The sort of 'This is not racist but ... have you seen how xxxx' type of comments. I heard a lot of that from very politically correct people (the 'naice' middle class) about asian people for example.
What the campaign has done is to tell those people it's OK to say that now whereas before it was all underneath and not as visible.

JaWell I'm afraid that being worried about not going away on hols in Europe because it's too expensive is an issue that both Leavers and Remainers face. And that Leavers are just as bothered (living in an area where the vast majority voted out, I hear a lot from Leavers...).
I'm a bit at loss about your post though. Just as much as it is essential to protect the environment and Just as much as I believe we should put some limits on the numbers of flights (see the effect stopping all flights over the US has had on the weather for example), I somehow don't think we can fight globalisation and the wish of people to travel, go somewhere sunny etc... by just going out of the EU.

I suppose the only good thing to happen, mammouth is that their 'closet racism' is now out in the open.

Who didn't realise how these people felt? I knew. I knew that people felt this way. Sad that it is. Why is it such a surprise to you all?

I don't know about other parts of the country, but here in London (and the outskirts, going by people that I work with) those people that did have those views kept them hidden before. Now they feel that the majority of the country must agree with them they're more comfortable in letting their racist views be shown.

The funny things is, like a few other posters have said, the racism doesn't actually seem to be targeted at EU migrants necessarily, just people that "look foreign". I'm black and have experienced it. Did anyone see the clip of the man on Ch4 news when the results were first in. He said something along the lines of "I'm glad I voted leave. I don't care about people from Europe coming here but there are far too many Africans and Syrians coming over for my liking". Makes no sense whatsoever and clearly he doesn't really know what the EU is, but it shows a lot about how people think!

Muffy - I do remember shouting at the TV hearing that guy on the news

"I'm glad I voted leave. I don't care about people from Europe coming here but there are far too many Africans and Syrians coming over for my liking". Makes no sense whatsoever and clearly he doesn't really know what the EU is, but it shows a lot about how people think!

I know, after the vote I went on tabloid websites to gauge views there and a quite astonishing number of people thought they had voted to stop Muslim immigration.

There's no question that racism has always existed. But once a political party stokes fear and anger with foreigners, it legitimises racism, and the population feels justified in expressing it more freely.

That's very clear in 30s Germany when the NatSocs chose to to foment racial hatred for their own ends. That racism had always existed - back in the 1880s, Nietzche commented that Germans had 'bad digestion' when it came to the Jews, and that they would never be fully assimilated.

But without the Nazis it would likely have rumbled along at a civic level just as it did in the UK, without turning into a national project.

The Brexit campaign was designed to latch on to and channel emotional feelings in a particular way to provoke a particular behaviour. It was quite deliberate. It focused on people's fear and ignorance of foreigners in order to get them to vote against the EU. It deliberately exaggerated and deliberately legitimised that level of fear when it bore no resemblance of the reality.

There have been unintended side effects.

It is categorically Brexit that has done this, as it provided a focal point for underlying fears and intolerance though the media and through 'respectable' people echoing those beliefs, and distorting reality.

Anyone who refuses to blame Brexit, needs to go on a media studies / history course to learn about advertising, political communication and propaganda. That is the entire goal and point of these fields. To change your behaviour.

I decided to vote out before any of the campaigning had started.

The campaigning was only to swing a certain percentage of the electorate. Most had already made up their minds.

However it still resonated with those who had made up their minds. It was deliberately vague to cause voters to attach their own meanings to what Brexit meant (I note how we still have no consensus over what Brexit actually means) and what it would entail.

So the discussion is effectively still on going with regard to immigration.

Making people feel unwelcome here, is part of that.

You can't compare the UKIP percentage vote with the SNP's percentage UK wide: the SNP only put forward candidates in 59 constituencies (winning 56 of them)

I wonder what percentage the SNP would've got if they'd put forward candidates across the UK?

UKIP only got 1.6% of the vote in Scotland.

It's not really about whether people would have voted leave with the anti-immigration focuses campaigns or not, more that the racists feel more comfortable in being openly racist now that they have "won".

Of course not ever leave-voter is a racist wanker, but some are and now they are more vocal than they were before.

It has always been Eurosceptic as the EU leaders freely admitted. And in terms of timescales, that goes back 41 years for some and 24 years for others.

Yes, so what puzzles me, is how Harold Wilson swung the vote so decisively in favour of yes.

Of course not ever leave-voter is a racist wanker

I do think it was the racist wanker percentage that pushed leave over the line though.

I think you're right fakename

Talking actual voter numbers, contrast SNP vote of just under 1.5 million in Scotland (a tiny smidgeon under 50%) with the UKIP vote of 47,000

It demonstrates when there is a viable and acceptable alternative, people don't need to choose UKIP.