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Westminstenders Continues. Boris is having a bad week. Corbyn resists. Its gonna be a long summer.

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RedToothBrush · 21/07/2016 16:34

THE BREXIT FALLOUT CONTINUES - THREAD ELEVEN

The dust is beginning to settle and the storm has abated. At least for the moment. The summer is about to start, and so there may be a break in proceeding.

May has had quite a first week both here and abroad.

The ground has not stopped shaking from the political ripples abroad. Made PM on Weds, Nice on Thursday and a failed coup in Turkey on Friday. The political landscape has changed once again.

At home she first cleared out the Govians and called for loyalty. She channelled the ghost of Maggie at the despatch box. She started the process of trying to make friends with Scots, Germans and the French. She is apparently now Merkel's bestie. Sturgeon is already ousted from that position after just days.

Boris, meanwhile has been rinsed by everyone he speaks to because of what he's said in the past. He's also given up his chickfeed job. Oh the hardship.

Now he looking like he's starting to regret deciding to play with the grown up. He's been trying - and it would seem, largely failing - at sucking up to the Americans. There's still no apology, but he has admitted that he has a list that is so long that he's lost track of what he needs to apologise for. I bet he's wishing for his playmates, Dave and George to come back.

Otherwise life carries on as normal, well this alternate new version of normal, with parliament breaking for the summer today. Don't worry the Martian landing is scheduled for a week Tuesday.

UKIP's polling seems to have dropped back post referendum, and things have gone rather quiet. Wolfe, Etheridge, Duffy and Arnott are all standing (Who? When did that happen? Yeah quite. Without Farage they disappeared). They plan to reform and make an assault on seats in the Labour heartlands of the provisional NW, Midlands and NE at the next general election. Hustings in August, new leader announced Sept 15th. Looks of thinly and not so thinly veiled racism to look forward to there then. The Daily Mail best make sure it upgrades its servers in time.

The Labour contest grinds on like a war of attrition. Stalking horse Angela fell at the first fence as Owen Smith (that's the MP not the journalist everyone including the media!) wins the dream unity candidate ticket for an apparent hiding to nothing against the steely stubbornness of Corbyn. Everyone with a pulse is starting to loose the will to live with it all.

The Lib Dems, have a Spokesman for Remain. Old Cleggy's back! Otherwise they seem to have been trying to do a deluded impression of the opposition party. Though with 8 MPs they aren't doing much better or worse than Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet atm.

The Green are having a leadership battle too. It must be very civilised - I've heard not a word about it. Lucas tried to get a vote about PR though the Commons. It failed. Again.

There also is a cross party idea to set up a new iniative of a progressive movement to champion Europe, which seems to be gaining some traction. It may also double as a support group for anyone who thinks the world has gone a bit nuts lately at this rate.

The SNP are pissed off, as they vow differently on everything and once again they feel that Trident has been imposed on them. Sturgeon had a good meeting with May though, and apparently the Union must remain and Scotland holds the key to the future. Though we don't know the key to which door that is - Braveheart or Brave New World.

The Republic of Ireland is making noises about a referendum about Irish Unity, but beyond that nothing about NI has really been on the radar. May is supposed to go visiting soon.

And the Welsh? Baaaaa who cares about the welsh? They made the mistake of voting Leave as well as the English and now have been forgotten, consigned to political irrelevance forever.

Article 50 has been pushed back officially until the New Year, with a first legal hearing on how to activate it due no sooner than the 3rd week in October. Leaving the EU legally will now be no earlier than 2019.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2685902-Westminstenders-Contines-Boris-outmaneovered-everyone-Now-War-and-Peace?pg=1 Previous Thread TEN

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RedToothBrush · 28/07/2016 15:41

Owen Smith.
Inspiring the next generation.

Westminstenders Continues. Boris is having a bad week. Corbyn resists. Its gonna be a long summer.
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TheBathroomSink · 28/07/2016 15:43

oh dear :(

RedToothBrush · 28/07/2016 15:44

A photo speaks a 1000 words doesn't it?

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howabout · 28/07/2016 15:44

Sorry Bathroom more accurately Ben Bradshaw is the only Labour MP in a sea of Conservative MPs in Devon. An alternative reading of the result could be that it reflects that Devon voted Leave and BB was very firmly Remain.

Chalalala · 28/07/2016 15:45

hah I think the comparison was subconsciously on my mind, I probably wouldn't have used the word "membership" otherwise as things work a bit differently over there

TheBathroomSink · 28/07/2016 15:59

Not sure, howabout, the winning candidate was an ex-Green party who crossed over to the Lib Dems, and South Hams voted Remain, against a lot of other areas.

RedToothBrush · 28/07/2016 16:02

The Brexit negotiations are off to a good start. Barnier is insisting they are all conducted in French...

I assume he thinks this is funny and making a point rather than it being a 'real' insistence as he hates the Brits. Smart move. It points us on the back foot from the word go having to contest even that.

We are FUKD.

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howabout · 28/07/2016 16:21

See if Boris weren't so busy he could have stepped in to negotiate in a truly inclusive pan European language "vanitas vanitatum et omnia vanitas" and all that.

RedToothBrush · 28/07/2016 16:27

www.economist.com/news/leaders/21702750-farewell-left-versus-right-contest-matters-now-open-against-closed-new?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/thenewpoliticaldivide

Great economist article about isolationism v openness

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SwedishEdith · 28/07/2016 16:37

I read somewhere that it's no longer left versus right but backwards versus forwards.

Motheroffourdragons · 28/07/2016 16:50

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howabout · 28/07/2016 16:54

It is a good article and fleshes out what Andrew Neil said yesterday. Unfortunately The Economist betrays its rabid free market myopia as usual and undermines its position in the process.

The fight to preserve openness will not be won if the best on offer is to provide a safety net for the losers. The challenge is to redesign the system so that all are net winners, even if a few win slightly more than others. Back to yesterday's William Hague article and what was wrong with it.

Motheroffourdragons · 28/07/2016 16:57

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thecatfromjapan · 28/07/2016 16:58

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RedToothBrush · 28/07/2016 17:22

David Allen Green ‏@DavidAllenGreen
Read each of these six tasks. And then consider: one month on, still no UK plan for any of them, let alone movement.

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/world/theresa-may-difficult-brexit-deals-fta-wto

We are FUKD

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HesterThrale · 28/07/2016 17:25

The New European has been successful enough to continue publishing beyond its initial 4 week run:
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2016/jul/27/the-new-european-sales?client=safari

TheBathroomSink · 28/07/2016 17:55

Trump has been hard to classify under the usual Republican terms, mainly because for most of his campaign there hasn't been much in the way of policy, just a lot of outrageous statements designed to get as much attention as possible.

Peregrina · 28/07/2016 17:55

We are FUKD

And who is speaking for the 48%? No one it seems.

Chalalala · 28/07/2016 17:56

I do remember seeing a graph of where Trump actually stood in terms of rightwing policy and he wasn't as far to the right as some!

Trump isn't that far right in many respects, he used to be associated with the Democrats. He agrees with Sanders on trade deals, he's no religious nut, he's no foreign policy hawk, he's voiced progressive views on social issues like gay rights, abortion, etc.

The issue is not that he's a right-wing ideologist (he's not), the issue is that he has no substance or real convictions, and is offering unrealistic/contradictory/dangerous/quick fixes that he says only he can deliver because he's a "winner" Hmm

prettybird · 28/07/2016 18:04

Dh is tickled that his FUKD has caught on! Grin

For the moment, it can stand for "Failing or Flailing UK and its Downfall" Wink

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IrenetheQuaint · 28/07/2016 18:39

Trump is appallingly racist, but racism doesn't necessarily mean someone is also very right wing. There is often a link but not always.

However, his massive racism, zero understanding of economics and 'secret plan to defeat Isis' are quite enough to cause massive long-lasting damage to the US and the rest of the world.

SwedishEdith · 28/07/2016 18:53

'The People's Army' - all very claigish. I dread to think what this means.

"Ms Duffy also said she would shift Ukip’s focus to “tackle taboo subjects” like integration and what she termed a “modern vision for British Islam”."

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/694258/Ukip-leadership-candidate-Lisa-Duffy-People-s-Army-Westminster-election-Nigel-Farage

SwedishEdith · 28/07/2016 18:59

What is Trump's 'secret plan to defeat Isis' ?? Obviously, it's a secret but what the hell does that even mean? Well, nothing, just empty rhetoric but, argh.

Chalalala · 28/07/2016 19:16

MotherOfFour I know, the only question is how much of it is his own ignorance and racism, and how much of it is him playing up to others' ignorance and racism... he probably couldn't tell us himself, he doesn't exactly come across as the introspective type

SwedishEdith I'm a little unclear on the details of his secret plan but I do know it involves torturing the families of terrorists Confused