Westminstenders Continues. Boris is having a bad week. Corbyn resists. Its gonna be a long summer.

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THE BREXIT FALLOUT CONTINUES - THREAD ELEVEN

The dust is beginning to settle and the storm has abated. At least for the moment. The summer is about to start, and so there may be a break in proceeding.

May has had quite a first week both here and abroad.

The ground has not stopped shaking from the political ripples abroad. Made PM on Weds, Nice on Thursday and a failed coup in Turkey on Friday. The political landscape has changed once again.

At home she first cleared out the Govians and called for loyalty. She channelled the ghost of Maggie at the despatch box. She started the process of trying to make friends with Scots, Germans and the French. She is apparently now Merkel's bestie. Sturgeon is already ousted from that position after just days.

Boris, meanwhile has been rinsed by everyone he speaks to because of what he's said in the past. He's also given up his chickfeed job. Oh the hardship.

Now he looking like he's starting to regret deciding to play with the grown up. He's been trying - and it would seem, largely failing - at sucking up to the Americans. There's still no apology, but he has admitted that he has a list that is so long that he's lost track of what he needs to apologise for. I bet he's wishing for his playmates, Dave and George to come back.

Otherwise life carries on as normal, well this alternate new version of normal, with parliament breaking for the summer today. Don't worry the Martian landing is scheduled for a week Tuesday.

UKIP's polling seems to have dropped back post referendum, and things have gone rather quiet. Wolfe, Etheridge, Duffy and Arnott are all standing (Who? When did that happen? Yeah quite. Without Farage they disappeared). They plan to reform and make an assault on seats in the Labour heartlands of the provisional NW, Midlands and NE at the next general election. Hustings in August, new leader announced Sept 15th. Looks of thinly and not so thinly veiled racism to look forward to there then. The Daily Mail best make sure it upgrades its servers in time.

The Labour contest grinds on like a war of attrition. Stalking horse Angela fell at the first fence as Owen Smith (that's the MP not the journalist everyone including the media!) wins the dream unity candidate ticket for an apparent hiding to nothing against the steely stubbornness of Corbyn. Everyone with a pulse is starting to loose the will to live with it all.

The Lib Dems, have a Spokesman for Remain. Old Cleggy's back! Otherwise they seem to have been trying to do a deluded impression of the opposition party. Though with 8 MPs they aren't doing much better or worse than Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet atm.

The Green are having a leadership battle too. It must be very civilised - I've heard not a word about it. Lucas tried to get a vote about PR though the Commons. It failed. Again.

There also is a cross party idea to set up a new iniative of a progressive movement to champion Europe, which seems to be gaining some traction. It may also double as a support group for anyone who thinks the world has gone a bit nuts lately at this rate.

The SNP are pissed off, as they vow differently on everything and once again they feel that Trident has been imposed on them. Sturgeon had a good meeting with May though, and apparently the Union must remain and Scotland holds the key to the future. Though we don't know the key to which door that is - Braveheart or Brave New World.

The Republic of Ireland is making noises about a referendum about Irish Unity, but beyond that nothing about NI has really been on the radar. May is supposed to go visiting soon.

And the Welsh? Baaaaa who cares about the welsh? They made the mistake of voting Leave as well as the English and now have been forgotten, consigned to political irrelevance forever.

Article 50 has been pushed back officially until the New Year, with a first legal hearing on how to activate it due no sooner than the 3rd week in October. Leaving the EU legally will now be no earlier than 2019.

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Lizards rock ! We rule the world

I gather the Greens would vote with the SNP on many issues, especially Indie-related

That's why I put "won" in quotes . All that happened this time round was a correction: in a parliament which is designed not to have a majority, the SNP broke the d'Hondt system last time round, winning "too many" List seats. This time round, because they won so many Constituency seats, the List discrepancy was corrected.

The thing I'm most pleased about the Holyrood elections was that despite the d'Hondt PR system, UKIP still failed to win a single seat (getting just 2% of the vote).

I think because Holyrood is a unicameral parliament, with the "checks & balances" supposed to come from coalitions and committees, it's actually healthier for the SNP not to have a majority. Choosing to operate a minority administration means it's forced to talk to other parties, which I would imagine would be predominantly but not exclusively the Greens.

@ Chalala surely I'm centrist (maybe even right wing!) from someone's perspective I expect most of the population appear to be right wing to the die hard Corbynistas!

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/23/labour-leadership-jeremy-corbyn-more-double-support-owen-smith

So we've got to sit out the whole summer for a process which will deliver more of the same? Time for the more centrist PLP to start looking for a new home, I guess.

I'm politically interested, probably engaged, and I have voted in every single election (general, local, EU & others) since my 18th birthday. I would just like a working opposition party, please. I'm not even sure I care who it is, as long as it is effective and holds the government to account. It says something when it's the House of Lords fulfilling that function.

Interesting seminar analysing the Brexit vote on the Parliament channel just now.

Does anyone else hope Farage is sitting in his Rover (but what else would he drive!) waiting in a 15 hour queue for French security to do their checks?

Interesting www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/brexit-deal-free-movement-exemption-seven-years

Interesting. It makes sense that both parties would try to wrangle out a single market outcome before moving on to the more complicated and damaging alternative. This looks like a slightly better deal than the EEA for the UK, although it's unclear what they mean by "emergency break" - full control of immigration for 7 years?

Would all EU countries agree to it?

Would the British government be able to sell this to the British public as a win?

Some interesting thoughts on EU versus non-EU migration across the EU above. There was a lot of supposition rather than fact based analysis in the bbc programme I watched last night on this issue and many others. The link below is an very hard hitting commentary on institutionalised racism and the true extent of it. Its central premise and the discussions above are why I take issue with a vote against the EU being blithely labelled as racist.

Interesting article LittlePickle. So would we be IN or OUT? Or some kind of newly-created HALF-IN membership?

That video is hard hitting howabout.

Maybe I'm even more sensitive about institutional racism as a "refugee" from apartheid - but an acceptable one due to my white skin . I was brought up to abhor all forms of racism - but in a funny way, was also brought up unable to see some of it as I was brought up not to notice race or religion

It did mean from a young age, I can remember discussing politics at home - and supporting the economic and sporting boycott of South Africa.

Doesn't the "7 year emergency brake" option miss the point that immigration was not the sole driver for Brexit? What about being allowed to sell in pounds and ounces again, and other totemic stuff?

I don't see the "emergency brake" flying . Don't see all 27 countries agreeing to it, for a variety of reasons - not least of which would being the precedent it would set and the potential encouragement to other countries' "leave" movements.

Interesting that Norway technically has the ability but has never applied it for fear of retaliation from EU countries.

But metrication was happening before we went into the EEC, so why should we convert back to pounds and ounces? And even if we hate the EU and love the Commonwealth, parts of the Commonwealth have metric systems - India for one.

I wonder whether "Passporting" is the price for that deal...

I think this is the absolute most the EU could give (not even sure they would), but I suspect the British press and opinion would turn their noses up at it at this stage. I think more time needs to pass for people to realise the EU is actually serious about this free movement thing and accept that Britain will never get the mythical free-trade-with-no-free-movement deal. Then we can start talking compromises. But the Leave campaign promises are still too fresh now.

But surely everyone realises the leave promises were bollocks by now?

I suspect at least some people voted leave specifically to get back to the Imperial system

But it's more than that, isn't it? It represents the Farage drum beat of "Brussels tells us what to do, we need to take back sovereignty"

Thegirlinthefireplace - no, I don't think everyone does yet... the mood has certainly shifted, but not enough I don't think. We're barely getting out of the denial phase, next comes anger (at the EU for being so 'unreasonable'), and then bargaining.

Weirdly the sovereignty ideologists like Hannan don't seem to have much of a problem with the EEA/Single Market option.

At the end of the article on the 'Illuminati Diamond' there's a poll asking readers of they think there is a secret sign given by the EU inner circle - amazingly, 71% said they thought there was! Speaks volumes about the intelligence levels of Express readers (to see the results you have to take part, and as I don't think there is a secret sign, apparently I think outside the box)

Mu and grab I was about to post just the same. Makes you weep eh!