Westminstenders Contines. Boris outmaneovered everyone?! Now War and Peace?

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THE BREXIT FALLOUT CONTINUES - THREAD TEN

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This set of threads started out asking if Boris had been outmanoeuvred by Cameron handing him a poison chalice. Fate made it seem as if Boris lost the battle but May has confounded everyone and handed him a second chance. Or so it might seem.

May now has a new Cabinet after a sweeping cull of Cameron's lot. It is more right wing than in a generation. A number of appointments have raised eyebrows. There are plenty of poison chalices and plenty of Brexiteers. Will this create peace in the Tory ranks? Or is it just the calm before the storm

Labour are tearing themselves apart what now seems to be all out civil war. Talk of gerrymandering, violence, disenfranchisement, deselection and intimidation are rife. The seems to be no end in sight, and no prospect of a solution apparent. The question perhaps seems to be when and how, rather than if the party will split, and who will retain the name and party funds.

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So the sad face of British politics in the last two days can be summed up in a single image. Boris and a brick.

Depressed?

I think we have a while to go yet before we hit the bottom.

Excuse me with the intros as I'm starting to struggle to keep up with things myself

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2684990-The-Westminster-Hunger-Games-Contines-May-Day-May-Day Previous Thread Nine

Big choc are you 100% that EEA does not include Passporting? Various sources have suggested it would. Of course the EU could explicitly carve Passporting out in a deal with us if they wanted anyway.

Just a bit of counterpoint to the doom and gloom

uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/keep-calm-brexit-history-suggests-090046436.html

Johnson, Davis and Fox to get joint use of Chevening, the foreign secretary's mansion

www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/jul/18/trident-debate-renewal-corbyn-may-idealism-as-mps-prepare-for-trident-vote-politics-live?page=with:block-578cb469e4b033b610b6e727#block-578cb469e4b033b610b6e727

The sitcom potential is epic.

Just to select one quote from the opinion piece above:

Great Britain also stood alone in Western Europe against Napoleon and, for almost two years, against Hitler during World War II.

My history of the Napolenic wars is rusty, so I can't comment there, but it damn well didn't stand alone during two years of WW2. It relied heavily on the people of the Empire, who gave themselves unstintingly and are now conveniently written out of the picture.

I'd like to see something more informed than wishful thinking.

And I guess the counter point to your comment Peregrina is that in a post-Brexit World the UK is likely to renew and strengthen its links with the Commonwealth countries.

I don't think for one moment that India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and a whole host of African states want to return to being Colonies. So no, we won't be able to make ourselves great on the backs of others this time.

I strongly suspect that India will want any links to be on her own terms.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnsons-daily-telegraph-column-ceases-so-mp-can-concentrate-on-new-duties-as-foreign-secretary_uk_578cadf6e4b0daae46fc187f?ri3eg66r

Johnson stops moonlighting.

Oneart I have just added something along the lines of what you posted in an email to my MP. Thanks for highlighting.

Peregrina TM's spokeswoman has said a visit to NI will happen soon, apparently - just picking up your comment from the last page. I assume it takes a bit more work to coordinate than just popping up to Scotland or over to Wales.

Johnson gives up his Telegraph column. Oh dear, he is going to feel the pinch, isn't he. We need a crocodile tears emoticon.

He once said the 250 grand he got for it was 'chicken feed' so I dare say he will be ok

www.liliangreenwood.co.uk/lilian_s_speech_to_nottingham_south_labour_party_members

Anyone seen this? - Nottingham South's Labour MP explaining why she had to resign. Damning of Corbyn.

Thanks for that link colouring. Food for thought in my internal debate on my leadership ballot.

I am not sure Lilian Greenwood understands collective cabinet responsibility or operating within a political context broader than her own department any better than she thinks JC does. As a JC sympathiser I read her remarks as reflecting her desire to put the interests of the PLP and their staff above the interests of the voting public (I accept I have an inbuilt bias).

Contrast her conception of how it works with the choreography the DC/GO administration regularly employed over the coalition and in Tory government to impose policy above departmental heads - most recently vis a vis education and academisation.

It will be interesting to see how expedient TM views it to use the insulating rhetoric of departmental rather than full cabinet responsibility over the coming months.

Does anyone else on the thread see Govt as Gove in some of the posts? It always stops me in my tracks. Sometimes it provides for a better reading.

By the way, the typo in the header makes me think of Westminstenders Tontines which would be rather appropriate.

I guess my question to the Canadians would be whether they prefer the current arrangements within NAFTA leaving them free to negotiate their own external trade deals to being subsumed within the US fully?

Interesting to see a different perspective, as I have never thought of Canada as a colony or of its involvement in WW2 as being anything other than an autonomous decision.

I think very many people would argue that the EU framework is primarily an attempt to continue to exploit the combined former colonies of member states through trade barriers. In this analysis the UK Brexiting will free it to develop trade relationships on a far more mutually beneficial footing. This in turn would promote accelerated growth leading to GDP expansion for both parties as opposed to the current exploitative arrangements (how DD gets to expand trade beyond the known Universe ). In terms of free movement, many point to the intrinsic unfairness of the immigration rules towards non-EU citizens.

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/07/how-brexit-could-lead-to-higher-prescription-costs-for-nhs-pills/

Ah. If only we had some trade negotiators.

I stand corrected on Ian Murray. He has apparently changed his views on Trident since last I heard him talk about it and will be voting against. However this is the difficulty with the PLP at the moment. While they say they are not in agreement with JC they seem extremely equivocal on what their alternative view is. It will be interesting to see if OS is able to solidify support for his proposals given EM struggled to get unity behind a far less left wing agenda, even within a GE campaign.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boris-johnson-foreign-secretary-protest-house-london-clashes-anarchists-suits-a7142801.html

The violence arose during a demonstration organised by Class War, a direct action group, in which around 100 masked protesters descended on the Foreign Secretary's home to "fight back" against the man they claim "stole [their] future".

EU membership has been an ongoing controversy here for many people's entire lives.

Yet most people, if not the vast majority of people, haven't a fucking clue what it does - or doesn't do.
Still.

Including those people who are leading Brexit quite worryingly.

Including those people who are leading Brexit quite worryingly.

Yes indeed, and squinting at the DM headlines this morning doesn't give me any cause for hope, with it eulogising David Davis and his promise to trade with 10 times the EU, i.e. the whole world population which must include ourselves, the rest of the EU and a few Martian and extra -terrestrials for good measure. Oh and we are on a fast track to do this!

Like heck we are. Greenland took 3 years to negotiate their way out and that was in 1985 when the European Community had fewer members.
But hey, we are Great Britain with an Empire on which the sun never sets.

I am well aware of exchange rate movements and their volatility over the last 20 years and I do not envisage any increase in volatility over the medium term.

Neither Canada nor the UK as independent members of the G7 meet my definition of "peripheral".