The Westminster Hunger Games Contines. May Day! May Day!

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THE BREXIT FALLOUT CONTINUES - THREAD NINE

The Tories have settled their scores and May is now PM.
Is it May's Day or May Day for the people?

After careful consideration I thought the best way to sum up the Labour Contest was in one simple picture. May Day, might also be appropriate here too.

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Things are moving fast, so hold on tight for the Brexit Ride

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2683852-The-Westministenders-Hunger-Games-continues-Hunting-for-the-Opposition?pg=1 Previous Thread Eight.

I could consider voting for Labour if KS were leader, but frankly only if my MP is replaced with someone who actually wants to represent a very non-glamorous WM/NW former industrial area, as the current one is far more interested in guest lecturing in London.

A leader is always ultimately responsible. The fact JC is defecting blame to 80% of the people who work for him to me shows he has always been out of his depth.

I don't understand why anyone should feel sorry for him - he is a career politician not a little old man off the street. JC knows the rules - just dosen't like playing when he's not winning

Well they were wrong about the last election and they were wrong about Brexit.

They were wrong about a couple of percentage points (within margin of error for Brexit), not by 20%!!

I don't think it is as straightforward as that, Merry.

A lot of people who did not feel represented by the current government, due to the FPTP system resulting in their voices not being heard or represented, saw the referendum as a chance to get their vote counted and to be heard.

It's not necessarily a punch to the face just to Cameron but to all these political parties that either ignore them or patronise them.

I think we will have to agree to disagree that JC could have done a good job.

This 'he can't lead' is such a line which has been fed mostly by labour itself. He's shown a lot of backbone in not stepping down. I don't think it's power grabbing. People wanted something more genuine and compassionate in politics, which was him. But look at the way he's been treated!

Grayling is in the house

'I'll take NI if no one else wants it (which seems to be the case atm)'

Having read all the Hunger Games threads I think you'd be more than capable! You'd no doubt make a better fist of it than whichever second division Tory it falls to.

There is no Momentum Reigate. Or at least Momemtum founder James Schneider says.

James Schneider ‏@schneiderhome · 1h1 hour ago

James Schneider Retweeted (((Richard Angell)))
There is no Momentum Reigate. This is a false account.
Habit of those turning up isn't there, Richard?

Vicky Young on BBC just suggested May has put Davis, Johnson and Fox in a bag and left them to fight it out over who has control of what!!

No, I totally agree Jamievardy, that leave vote was as much at politicians in general. But who was the most anti typical politician out there? Who had the best chance at a general election? Who will these people vote for now? Angela Eagle?

Red - how would he know? I thought you could set up your own branch?

Although that does appear to be a piss take, to be fair.

And yy to red for NI Sec.

Steven Woolfe has announced his bid to be elected as UKIP leader, following the resignation of Nigel Farage.

Mr Woolfe, a 48-year-old barrister and MEP for the North-West of England, is one of the party's most high-profile spokesmen and currently holds its immigration and financial affairs brief.

In a speech in London, he made a pitch for Labour and Conservative votes: "To old Labour voters let down by their party, I say, UKIP will give you a voice. To the majority of Tory voters who voted Leave but have been lumbered with continuity Cameron under Theresa May, I say – UKIP will welcome you."

He said to the millions of Leave voters the party must say: "UKIP speaks for you. We are your new home."

Oh dear, someone not watching the news. UKIP's potential leader is officially 'out of touch'.

I know people are going to throw a shower of shite at me but if the Labour party had got behind Jeremy Corbyn then they wouldn't be in the mess they are today.

No shite from me, I just want to point out that "ifs" and "buts" don't actually get us out of said mess.

Even assuming that the PLP are indeed a bunch of traitorous backstabing rightwingers, and that everything is their fault and JC is entirely blameless, it still doesn't get us out of said mess.

Labour need to move forward, and I can only see two ways - either they split, or JC goes and the membership elect a new leader. I much prefer option B.

Chris Grayling.

He's the clichéd dimwitted side kick to some super clever villain.

I hope he knew which door he was supposed to knock on.

I fear a lot will turn to UKIP. A nationalist party doesn't stick to traditional left-right wing sides so they will appeal across parties.

Agree about Eagle, think she is awful. KS appeals to me but in reality there is no one obvious who understands the feeling of having no options and no way out of their situation.

JC may be an anti typical politician, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he gets it, that he understands what people face and can help.

Lol, LM is now officially pissed off with TM, so clearly she is doing something right.

Louise Mensch ‏@LouiseMensch 2m2 minutes ago
Theresa May has made Remainers unhappy and fans of reform and good government unhappy. Villiers another big loss. Why move her?

Louise Mensch ‏@LouiseMensch 3m3 minutes ago
Vindictive and petty reshuffle even if good for Brexit. Loss of great reforming brains. Hammond very inferior to Osborne

Louise Mensch ‏@LouiseMensch 1m1 minute ago
Looks like blatant chumocracy from Theresa May. Her chums however are less good than @David_Cameron's chums

Confused. JC isn't everyone's granddad. He is a politician. You wouldn't complain about how any other politician has been treated. Why give him special treatment? He has been in parliament for decades.

And nope my views on his leadership are from many many years working within big businesses with some really good, and really crap leaders. They are very easy to spot. Backbone isn't the same as egotistical bloody mindness.

If you had a company where 80% of your staff walked out and the only way you could save that company for the millions of people that it supported and the good of the local and national economy would be to leave. If you didn't leave it would be decimated for decades after existing for 116 years. The huge majority of people would fall on their sword and leave - for the good of everyone else - I even think Blair would have done. JC instead blames the people who he couldn't manage and who walked out and is ignoring the damage he is doing. I can not comprehend

Jamie KS is working class. Only one of his family to get to Uni. Father toolmaker. Mother nurse

Credentials for working class alot more than JC's

Thanks Show, that pretty eloquently sums up my feelings.

He also massively strikes me as a guy willing to cut off his nose to spite his face. Just to show how principled he is.

JC reminds me of headteachers I have known. Once they've been removed the school transforms within a very short time.

Does Louise Mensch have some sort of a problem?

For a start he does not cave into the power of personality.

Um... WTF???

He is not a career politician

LOL

I just can't get my head around this narrative that everything will be all right with the Labour Party if only those traitorous scheming Blairites would just get behind JC, who is universally loved and practically perfect in every way.

Sometimes I think JC could sacrifice a bag of kittens and puppies live on air and his supporters would find a way to frame as a radical new direction for the Labour Party.

Does Education and Women and Equalities come as some buy one get one free bundle? Nicky had both jobs too, it's a bit weird.

Poor Gove, stabbed his mate Cameron in the back, lost the leadership contest and now lost his job. Bet Osborne and Cameron won't let him sit next to them on the backbenches. What a shame.