The Westminster Hunger Games Contines. May Day! May Day!

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THE BREXIT FALLOUT CONTINUES - THREAD NINE

The Tories have settled their scores and May is now PM.
Is it May's Day or May Day for the people?

After careful consideration I thought the best way to sum up the Labour Contest was in one simple picture. May Day, might also be appropriate here too.

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Things are moving fast, so hold on tight for the Brexit Ride

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2683852-The-Westministenders-Hunger-Games-continues-Hunting-for-the-Opposition?pg=1 Previous Thread Eight.

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Watch the moment new Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson seemed unable to find his car as he left his house this morning

And he's off to a good start...

Theresa May went the wrong way in her first gay too.

I think Davis is a good appointment.

But Boris, no.

I think the English are far more charmed by posh buffoons than people from other countries.

The reaction from the US is very, very bad for us.

We literally can't pull this off without them.

And now we have a foreign secretary who published remarks that made him sound like a racist birther.

Oh Lord!

DAY

Been on my hols so had a LOT of catching up to do. Quite surprised no-one on the thread is picking up on the question of whether TM or indeed PH were ever truly Remain given their Eurosceptic pasts. TM's speech when she came out for "Remain" is quite enlightening in view of current developments.

My litmus test on social justice is attitudes taken to GO's cuts to tax credits. BJ and DD both spoke out against the cuts and were instrumental in the change in policy. I am pleased with TM so far!

Labour in general and in Scotland in particular hates the SNP because Labour have never won a GE without Scottish seats. The UK Labour party would be a much saner place at the moment if 50 Scottish Labour MPs were in the HoC in place of the SNP banging on about Scotland introspectively the whole time. IMO Scotland would also be better represented by Scottish Labour which has traditionally been Internationalist as opposed to Nationalist and Europhile. I voted for EM's Labour Party and I firmly believe the SNP lost the election for Labour in England.

Oh and what Peter Mullen said as quoted by dexra

Everyone has different experiences of the Independence debate: I too am not originally Scottish (got teased at primary school for having a "foreign" surname, but think that would have happened wherever in the UK I was) but have never felt unwelcome - even when I came back to Scotland after 10 years working in England with an "English" accent (even though in England - which was the only place I had ever experienced nasty teasing bordering on racism - I was still considered to have a Scottish accent).

I have one friend (actually met her via MN) who moved up here specifically to vote in the Referendum and after a month she and her also English dh decided this was their "forever home" and feel very at home.

Ironically, the SNP got a lot of flack for making the voting eligibility in the Indyref all those that lived in Scotland, regardless of race or nationality - and not including the Scottish diaspora who had left the country - so not allowing some "pure" Scots a vote.

I didn't support the SNP in the 80s or 90s only moved back to Scotland in 94 anyway (am one of those Labour supporters that has lost faith with the party), but my impression is that as Labour moved right under Blair, SNP moved Left. This creates a chain reaction as more Left Wing people join or support the SNP.

But I do agree that the SNP is a broad church with pragmatic policies. I fully expect it to split if/when Scotland achieves its independence. I truly hope that then Scottish Labour can re-discover its soul and principles as the government of an independent Scotland doesn't need to be an SNP one, but I fear that it may be too far gone

But anyway, this is at the moment a side show to the Westminsterenders Hunger Games

Of course as diplomats everyone else still has to be nice and forgiving about Johnson.

Um no. They really don't.

They only have to say the right kinds of things in public.

And then give him hell in private. Well that's just fine by me.

Laura Kuenssberg just tweeted "Sources confirm Michael Gove also leaving govt - only Boris survives of the trio"

She also tweeted that Nicky Morgan (Gove supporter) is expected to be out.

Gove leaving? I am surprised at that!

Hahaah Morgan Sacked.

Awww, how sad for Morgan......

Cameron gone, Osborn gone, Gove & Morgan gone (fingers crossed). Let's be grateful for small mercies.

We have to be careful though - no one thought that anyone could be worse than Gove until Morgan came along.

What do you think Hunt's chances of surviving are looking like?

No.

They won't give him hell in private.

They will exclude and marginalise him.

They will brief and form alliances against him.

He will have less influence than he should because he is not respected.

The FCO officials will have to work twice as hard to maintain our positions.

That is absolutely not fine with me.

It is not fine for any of us.

Was pissing off the White House a good move?

Because that's been achieved.

Actually Howabout - the thing about Labour "needing" the Scottish seats is misconception: there have only been two times since the war that the Scottish seats made a difference: one an unstable government with a tiny majority (of 1?) and the other an unstable minority administration.

It is England which decides which "colour" the Government is going to be.

Even in the 2015 election, if Labour had won every single seat in Scotland, we would still have a Conservative government.

This passage in the Suzanne Moore stood out for me as it has been one of my main frustrations with Labour during Corbyn's time.

the failure of the left to outline a plan or some policies that amount to more than vague “anti-austerity”.

There seems to be this vague notion that the Tory's are all bad but no real attempt to explain what would be different under a Labour government.

You are all aware of how the US has shafted and insulted us almost every month for the last decade aren't you? Barack "Closing Guantanamo will be my first job in office" backstabbing Obama?

Boris is a genius move not because of the perceived view of the U.K. on the world stage, but because of the ACTUAL view of the U.K. on the world stage. (You know, number 189 in the list of 190). EU was happy to take our 2nd highest contribution to its project though ...... yet you've all bought in to the 'insignificant UK' sound bites?

Looking forward to more from TM today. Go UK PLC!

Whittingdale gone.

Thankfully.

John Whittingdale gone.

Gove and Morgan gone! Back of the net!!!!!
Toby Young now on bleating. Ha Ha Ha

Anything that upsets Toby Young cause me great, great joy.

DoinItFine on the optimistic side Trump may win in November, and his only objection to the "part Kenyan" comment would be that it doesn't go far enough. Obama is fully Kenyan, as he and his supporters know.