The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Who is trying to outmanoeuvre who?

[RedToothBrush]

Don't worry we've all lost track.

In the Blue Corner
It started out with Cameron and Osborne trying to win the battle of the Tories, but they got stung in a UK wide vote. Some of us thought it was about the 'EU'. Instead it has turned out it was an internal Tory Bitch fight between some old Oxford and Eton mates, whilst for others a protest vote at being disenfranchised.
Gove and Johnson stabbed Cameron & Osborne in the back to run for Team Leave. Then they won when they didn't expect to. And there was no Plan. Uh Oh. Then it all started to go really wrong.
Cameron quit in disgust. Johnson went all President Churchill, before he also got stabbed by Gove (possibly with the assistance of the dark influence of Osborne).
We now have a Tory Smackdown with the shadowy influence of the Media Barons in the background.

#Team Gove has been doing their best with the knives. This is a mission to stab as many Tory MPs in the back as possible in order to become PM. Sponsored and supported by Murdoch

#Team Leadsom has been selling more unicorns and trying to pretend her CV and tax return are completely transparent. Think positive and the economy will be just fine. She is the homeopathy of politics. Sponsored and supported by Arron Banks, Leave.eu, UKIP and Britain First.

#Team May has been threatening to deport everyone if the EU don't play nice. Sponsored and supported by The Daily Mail's Dacre

In The Purple Corner
Tragically, it appears that not only do UKIP have a Plan A, they also have outwitted everyone by having Plan B. Yes that’s right TWO plans.
Farage has swanned off –sacked—for a life on CBB so they are looking for a new leader.
The potential candidates are all equally loathsome. They include Arron Banks himself, a suspended member of the party and several other people with an uncanny ability to put their foot in their mouths.
If this wasn't horrible enough, Team Leadsom is increasingly starting to look like a UKIP take over bid of the Conservative Party, which might be a neat way of avoiding a leadership battle of their own considering the quality of the candidates on offer.

In short, its a bit like a Bad Dystopian Movie that invokes Godwin, set in 2016 Westminster. Except its real.
In the Red Corner
Meanwhile the WMD has finally gone off in the Labour Camp, as Chilcot has been published. However the Chicken Coup rattles on regardless.

Corbyn is STILL clinging on, putting in a good claim for the Westminster 'Charlie off Casualty' Award. He has however had his Big Moment in the Commons. Which was a bit of a let down really. ...

The Unions have been trying to talk some sense into everyone. Meanwhile everyone else is has given up and are now just praying for a ruddy miracle to end this torture and give the country an opposition party.

Angela Eagle is still outside for the 5th day in a row, going "I will stand. Soon. If he doesn't quit" The BBC now qualify for a discount deal at the local Travel Lodge.

We FINALLY know who the fuck Owen Smith is! He's a Welsh MP and sounds like he's not completely away with the political fairies.

George Galloway appears to be trying to make a late bid to be included on the ballot paper for any leadership election.
Bliar's cried. We didn't. Chilcot took over 2 million words to tell us everything we already knew. As well as the fact that Mi6 like Nicholas Cage a lot.

The Cult of Momentum are still worshiping their Dear Leader by sending death threats to PR companies they suspect of disloyalty. Somehow they still manage not to get the title of the most vile pressure group in the UK.

And I suppose I should ask, when will a50 be triggered....? And by whom?

All these questions and more.
Tin foil hats now available upon request

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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Woah! Loathsom hits a new loathsome low on the front page of tomorrow's Times... while, as this tweet points out, looking just like a Spitting Image Thatcher puppet.

A lot to do before Article 50 can be invoked. The kipperati who just want to rush at it, really are swivel-eyed lunatics.
Brexit requires calm, intelligent, professional preparation to have a chance of success.

First step: the UK needs to decide what kind of deal to aim for.
That shouldn't just be decided by a PM who could have won her premiership with only 60,000 votes from Tory Party members (= a very narrow victory with 80% of members voting)

Ideally, there should be cross party talks from September, with say the leaders of Labour, Liberals, SNP, Welsh & NI parties. Definitely Sadiq Khan representing London. Also City of London, CBI.
Basically just deciding soft / hard Brexit, EU immigration, plus a fallback strategy.

The aims can be finalised by December, and the PM can announce soft / hard Brexit, because the public simply can't be kept in the dark for another 2 years about what is planned.

Early January, the PM must set up the organisation for a professional negotiating team of civil servants from January, overseen by a special Cabinet Minister.

Setting up the team and preparing for negotiations would take months, but it is vital to do properly - imagine it like preparing a team for the World Cup, so lots of training and practice sessions, deciding on the best combinations in the team and who plays where.
This would also allow the French & German elections to finish before the PM finally invokes Article 50, when everybody on both sides is ready to concentrate.

Margrethe What the article's analysis makes clear is that a lot of the 'Leave' areas didn't have particularly high levels of immigration. So it goes some way to highlight what a proxy 'immigration' was, or rather that it functioned in a less straightforward way than areas losing 'identity' in the face of experience of immigration.

I suspect you know that (it has been widely discussed now) and you are talking about the emotions driving that imagined fear?

I guess what I took from it was the need to really focus on economic arguments, and economic solutions, rather than being betrayed into the swamps of assuaging misidentified hurts.

kipperati Did you make that up yourself? v. good!

How do you 'opt out' of people risking their lives travelling thousands of miles, jumping in boats or the backs of lorries in the hope of a 'better life'?

If you have the magic answer do please share.

We do not live in isolation. Even if we try we can't. The Chinese tried it for centuries. It did not work. And that was in an age without television and internet.

Things can and will always happen outside our borders which are beyond our control. You can not pretend they are not happening or assume they will not affect you. Simply the number of people on the planet will have an impact.

Trade and wealth is but a small part of globalisation. Globalisation is not a new thing. Its an ongoing shifting of power that has happened throughout civilisation in difference ways. Through language and religion and knowledge and technology. Our current focus on capitalism is just one particular force and is the current main one. It is not the only one though.

Trying to stop it, is like trying to stop time itself if you ask me.

You either work WITH people to solve the problems or you become at the mercy of them eventually.

ooooh the mother thing is definitely low. Cannot believe she is letting it get that personal.

If Leadsom knows so much about children and youth, why is her voting record associated with the problems young people face so fucking shite.

May's is better.

Crabb has been caught sexting apparently. Tories, eh!

aw, go on. Link for that. Precious little to amuse us lately, you know.

Leadsom has tweeted the article is the opposite of what she meant. Let's see.

yes but we then have to pay custom duties if that country doesn't have an agreement with the EU, or later with us.

Or we don't - just look at how easy it is to download pirated material.

Cheaper Chinese steel imports were bad for Port Talbot, but good for any UK company wanting to buy steel.

It's easy to talk about being anti-globalisation, much harder to put it into practice.

Team Leadsom are denying she said that on twitter. Saying the story is a fabrication to smear her.

The Tory and Labour parties must bloody well sort themselves out urgently. The race hate attacks are getting worse in this power vacuum.
I expect we all heard of the arson attack and threats against this Polish family:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-devon-36737522_

The fascist Britain First are fawning over Leadsom:
a policy agenda “laced with idealism and optimism”
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/britain-first-andrea-leadsom-conservative-leadership-election-contestukk_577d0176e4b0c9460801ceb2?edition=uk
It says a lot about the current Tory Party that she is a serious contender after being backed by a fascist organisation with terrorist links.

btw, this is Loathsome's take on unmarried partners (before she switched to cuddly mum mode):
“The self indulgence and carelessness of non-committed adult relationships is, as we’ve just seen in the extreme case of Baby P, proving fatal to the next generation.”
http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working-for-you/andrea's-blog/marriage-is-key-to-the-safety-of-our-society/148

Theresa May has signed a 'clean campaign' pledge and is challenging Leadsom to do the same.

May said: “The public are tired of people acting like politics is a game, so a clean campaign is what our party and the country deserve. Today, I am signing a clean campaign pledge, and I hope Andrea will do the same.”

The pledge involves: not cooperating with other parties or their supporters; sticking to the £135,000 spending limit; keeping social media campaigning clean; keeping campaigning within “acceptable limits of political debate”, and doing what is right for the country and the party.

(From this Guardian article.)

So we can expect to see Leadsom doing that shortly after she publishes her tax return, no doubt.

The Crabb story is tomorrow's Times

This article seems to be an example of what you were pointing out at 17:45 nauticant: an attempt at 'disavowable negative campaigning'. Not sure it'll work as disavowable, though: sounds very authentic.

Maybe it doesn't matter, though?

Maybe the way this works is that you just disavow it enough to allow people who think these horrible things - and agree with you for these reasons - to feel OK about themselves?

Horrible stuff.

Re Times Article

‏@Arron_banks

It's only extraordinary to people brought up on a diet of PC . Most Tory members probably agree with her

BigChoc: "It says a lot about the current Tory Party that she is a serious contender after being backed by a fascist organisation with terrorist links."

This is so true. What on earth is happening?

Andrea Leadsom MP Verified account 
‏@andrealeadsom

@thetimes This is despicable and hateful reporting. You must now provide the transcript - this is beyond disgusting.

I find myself agreeing with all the posts coming through at the moment.

Red

The Aaron Banks tweet suggest this is deliberate and deliberated. My friend on Twitter has just pointed out that this is a Trump strategy: It's iterated for one section of the electorate, and then retracted for the rest.

This is a good twitter spat.

Some people are saying Leadsom fucked up in the interview and is asking for the transcript / tapes because she knows it and is lying to get out of it.

Others are saying what a disgrace the times are.

Others are saying how wonderful and honest what Leadsom said was and how it will go down with the tory membership.

Andrea Leadsom MP Verified account 
‏@andrealeadsom

@thetimes @RSylvesterTimes this is the worst gutter journalism I've ever seen. I am so angry - I can't believe this. How could you?

Mrs Leadsom. £350million and Turkey joining the EU ring any bells with you?

thecat, its funny you should say that #Leadsom facts is doing the rounds at the minute

www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/corbyn-hoping-tories-go-for-an-unelectable-fanatic-as-well-20160708110461