The Westministenders Hunger Games continues. Boris still trying not to be outmanoevered.

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Clearly Boris didn't get the memo, on when to quit the power games, even after Gove schooled him in the dark arts of the Tory Leadership....

So the Tory Smackdown rolls on whilst Corbyn STILL clings on. UKIP has now entered the race to make a challenge for who can make the biggest leadership contest shambles.

In The Blue Corner
May strikes fear into the hearts of EU citizens as she counts her bargaining chips.
Gove strikes fear into the hearts of humans, with his Martian twitch.
Loathsom strikes fear in the hearts of Britains by talking about babies brains.
Crabb strikes fear into the hearts of Torys by suggesting a plan that Corbyn might like. (and that beard doesn't help).
And Fox.
Well he just turned up.

Johnson is still waiting in the wings to stab Gove. He'd quite fancy a seat at the cabinet table too.
Osborne has gone quite again and we wait with baited breathe to see if he is the 'Charlie off Casualty' of the Tory Party (y'know whatever happens he somehow survives like a cockroach).

In The Red Corner
Corbyn apologies. So we know he's getting a bit desperate.
Will the Unions figure out something else to do other than sit with their head in hands.
Angela Eagle is still doing jellyfish impressions and hasn't found that backbone.
We STILL don't know who the fuck Owen Smith is?
Will Bliar's chicken's finally come home to roost?
The Cult of Momentum, rumbles on. We aren't quite sure who they actually vote for, but they seem to like their Dear Leader.
When will this country next have an opposition party?

Its kinda getting boring guys, we need some action now. End the Chicken Coup! The Tories are definitely out doing in the high drama stakes.

In the Purple Corner
Farage has gone! Hurrah. We hope only that he stays under that rock.
(Don't count on it. They'll wheel him out when they need publicity)
Will Leadsom be elected leader? Oh sorry, wrong party. I was getting confused for a second there.
Will they throw the cuckoo Carswell out? [:)]
Will they be able to find a less offensive leader than Farage who can unite them in their common goal of errrr..... yeah. That.
How long before one of their candidates has to apologise for something?

And I suppose I should ask, when will a50 be triggered....? And by whom?

All these questions and more.
Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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She is such an embarrassment

I hope Juppé thrashes her next year

Le Pen says 'punishing the UK for leaving' would be shooting ourselves in the foot.

Belguim Former PM (The one with glasses and floppy hair) says:
that without wide-ranging changes, the EU could be "sleepwalking" towards its end, with referendums in every member state, adding: Either it will change or it will die."

Aaaand making my point:

YouGov poll found that 70% of Conservative membership AGREE with May about her stance on EU citizens

Anonymous polls say it like it is. The Tories all agree with her. They just don't want to be the meanies that come out publicly and say it.

On the bright (?) side the same YouGov poll found that May would beat Leadsom 63%-31% with the membership, and they're apparently usually pretty accurate.

Red I genuinely think you should be nominated for some sort of award for these threads (therefore I can just about forgive you for the kilt link which is one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen). I have learned so much.
Gove 'exceptionally trustworthy?' Okey dokey
What did Andrea say about brains and babies?

German Centre Right.
The way everyone talking today, has had me with arms up in despair.
People are being sent to their doom. Who is going to hold up their hands and sort it out.
We can not carry on as before.
Criticising over regulation.
Need to deliver on terrorism. Not just have proposals.
Youth unemployment - whats Brexit got to do with it. Policies in France have been successful.

One of the 48% MEPs
Richard Corbett Labour Party
Referendum to settle. But the UK not settled. Huge questions being asked. Lots of people challenging it. There are demostrations, there is Scotland. Why do you think there are challenges to a democratic referendum. Partly because even mr farage said 48 – 52. Others are just shocked at the leave campaign. And finally there are the remain truths. But the reality is being to show. And in those circumstances mainly wish to reconsider.
But one important point. Why has a50 not been triggered. The answer is because it can’t. Because there is no agreement on what they were voting for. I will not be not surprised if leave voters go, this is not what I voted for. This is very much not settled.

Irish asking whether the Belgian Federalists and others, have contributed to UK leaving? Said he thought UK bullied.

Corbett agrees.

THANK FUCK FOR A REASONABLE BRITISH MEP.

What did Andrea say about brains and babies?

All a bit unclear because it happened behind closed doors. But this is what transpired:

Some MPs supporting other camps accused Leadsom of losing the room by focusing heavily on the attachment theory of babies – an issue she is passionate about and has set up charities to focus on. One said that the minister had talked a lot about her “three b’s – Brussels, banks and babies”.

...

One Tory MP said of Ms Leadsom’s performance: “She was rambling and ended up talking about how important it was to massage the prefrontal cortex of a baby’s brain.

“It was bizarre. This was meant to be an application to be PM, not a childhood development officer.”

Polish MEP says the EU must change (first time he has ever agreed with floppy haired Belgian).

Deeply disappointed in Brexit. It is not in the interests of the UK.

Would like Brexiteers to condeem attacks on Polish, as this has not been done and he is disappointed. Whilst encouraging the use of respectable language in the

LIB DEM
Critising FORIEGN owned media, for lies and influencing, and misleading the public. Comforted by those in EU have said they are sad.
Heartbroken by who it will affect. Criticising our political chaos. Says we NEED a GE as we can not have our future decided by one person.
This is not just a wake up call for the UK. Please TAKE YOUR PEOPLE WITH YOU.

Criticised by another because LDs only one who were pro EU.

She admits its a crazy situation. Says she will fight for the people.

Thanks for the new thread

Italian Left
Saying that this could be worse for them than the UK. Not from out of the blue. We need to take it onboard.

Cypriot Centre - Right
We all know founded on lies and popularism. Brexit is based on austerity. Insulting to say different.

Italian left
I agree, poverty is at the centre of this. Not immigration.

SNP
There is a problem in London. What an understatement that is. It is shameful. Even those who lead leave have no idea. I'm glad that colleges have realised that the UK is not one country but four. The remain campaign in Scotland was based on positive. The negative result in England was the result of decades of failure being blamed on brussels.

UKIP (a scot)
Telling the scots to suck it. (Paraphrasing).
He's horrible. Aggressive. And nasty.

I also have a massive soft spot for Andy Burnham.

Unsurprised that Theresa May's fascist position on deporting EU nationals is supported by Tory party members.

It seemed quite obvious that it was not about being honest. It was about dog whistle Farage politics.

And the number of people justifying throwing our fellow UK residents under a bus as being reasonable in a negotiation chills me to my bones.

You don't have to look to UKIP's lower middle class voters for racism and fascist tendencies.

What kind of a country is this now?

SNP
The UK that Scotland voted to stay as part of no longer exists. They were told their status in Europe was protected. That is no longer true.

Lithuanian Eurosceptic
Listing all the points that the EU failed and didn't listen to the Uk....

The british people have not betrayed anyone. They have given us a final chance to change.

Will it be a set of equal states or a dictatorship from brussels.

UKIP again. (a women this time)
Scaremongering by the PM and chancellor. The FTSE and pound are fine. Businesses realising we are still need. We have people queuing up to do deals.
Mr Juncker must not be part of the negotitions.

(WAS THAT A GOOD POINT BY UKIP?!)

The Rat Scene - Skyfall

I think of this scene whenever I hear the word "Westminster" at the moment.

Ginger

Owen Jones is a left wing writer and cultural commentator, who famously walked off the sky news set the other week while talking about Orlando. He is not a politician.

The Owen possibly being touted as a challenger to Corbyn is Owen Smith, a Welsh MP, and until last week DWP minister.

What don't you understand about democracy. We are the 52%. We have the commonwealth. You don't have that. Maybe that's why you feel the need to be part of this awful union.

Polish non attached.
We have been under the yoke of various powers and we did get our freedom. It is difficult situation but i'm sure the uk will get their independence.

We must be careful as all socialism will become national socialism. The EU must be destroyed.

(Well aren't this lot a happy clappy lot!)

70% of Labour MPs represent constituencies which voted for Brexit, meaning they are fundamentally at odds with their electorate. He sees that as a huge opportunity for UKIP and I find it difficult to disagree.

Agree. Very worrying. It's one reason (of many) why the PLP need to get their heads out of their asses and consider the possibility that it may be them and their sentimental attachment to Tory lite politics that are the problem.

As for Corbyn:
I think someone's been going through the marketing info Red has linked to!
Not closely enough imo, or they would have had a rethink about that crazy yellow background!

Bit waffly and not so relevant to UK now.

They all are being barely civil. UKIP are out in force though, and being as bad as Farage was the other day really.

Spanish Socialist
The UK is divided by age, region, class. Maybe irreversibly. All as a result of a gamble by mr Cameron. Not ok not to trigger a50. We need this now. Not acceptable for uk to have the priviledges of being a member without taking on the responsibility. It is easier to get truth from error than confuse - Francis Bacon quote.

The irony of complaining about UKIP MEPs speaking for us in the EU Parliament

I do not know of anyone who openly supports David Coburn in Scotland. The wonders of giving Scotland a single constituency to vote for MEPs and then using PR to distribute the representation according to the votes of the very small minority who bother with European elections.

Not really loving the prospect of an independent Scotland within the EU with this nutter giving the impression he speaks for me. Now I remember why I voted Brexit.

German Conservative
Where is the responsibility in the EU for the breakdown of communication between us and the UK (big dig at juncker). Asking for him to resign!

One of the 48% MEPs
Richard Corbett Labour Party

Never heard of him but I love him already.

Thanks for the summaries, Red

The irony of complaining about UKIP MEPs speaking for us in the EU Parliament

I know.

The Kippers are our biggest party in Europe.

They have every right to speak for us.

That's who the British public elected.

www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2016/jul/05/the-tv-show-i-made-with-michael-gove-still-gives-me-nightmares?CMP=twt_gu
More Gove Horror.

Changing the subject slightly, I am really shocked by this, which someone posted upthread:

Boris would be a prominent part of her team. According to the Ashcroft data he is the one candidate with crossover appeal between Remainers and Leavers.

It goes to prove what short memories people have, and also backs up what Fintan O'Toole wrote at the weekend about meta-facts and gloss. Personally, I will never forgive BJ for selling the country down the river in this fashion. I wasn't a fan in the first place, but the way he has put his prime ministerial ambitions ahead of the potential for national (and perhaps international) catastrophe is positively sociopathic imo.

Place marking!

UK (labour I think)
Those who voted Remain, voted for economy
those who voted Leave, voted against the 5 presidents and for fears over immigration.
We need to listen to them. We need to be calm and take time

(this is in response to a Czech Liberal who is going a bit crazy at us for not triggering a50 and no guarentees)

Sinn Fein
Brexit will damage the NI more than anywhere else. If anyone else say different they are in cloud cuckoo land. 23000 cross border workers. (Talks about Agriculture & Investment a bit). The people of the north of Ireland voted remain. They want that respected.

UK Green
Shocked by the instability. Some of those who voted for real reasons but some of those, who seek to undermine democracy.
We are left with out a government or opposition. But should recover.
Asking people to wear the safety pin. Will fight to ensure Brexit not be used as race to the bottom.

Czech Eurosceptic.
Brexit gave hope to people. Praising Farage.
Talking about Czexit.